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Peterson is the best candidate but Buck doesn't like him. It might not matter though as there were apparently some disagreements, at least privately, between him and DD over personnel.

Palmer would be a highly knowledgeable person to do the job, but he just turned 68 and he loves his life. He isn't coaching.

Castro has limited experience but I'm sure he'll be considered and I'm doubtful about Scotty M.

Buck has made complimentary statements about Griffin before at AAA and how much of an asset it is to have someone like him there so I don't think he'll be moving.

How do folks come up with this stuff that Buck doesn't like so and so?

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Neil Allen is the Tampa Rays AAA Durham pitching coach;

A veteran of 11 Major League seasons during his own pitching career, Allen returns to the Bulls for his third (2013) campaign. The 54-year old Kansas native has guided an impressive crop of Durham hurlers, including Matt Moore, Alex Cobb and Chris Archer, to their Tampa Bay Rays debuts.

He should be interviewed.

I would hope so.

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Mighty telling that Rick Adair, Mark Connor...back to back years of coaches leaving mid-season. Our starting pitching is lackluster. All of our pitching prospects fail when they come up here time and time again. Buck's obsession over TTL isn't helping, but neither is continuity when it comes to overall vision on the staff. Aside from Chris Tillman, who isn't a product of this system originally, what pitching prospect has had any kind of success at the major league level over an extended period of time as a starter? Not Matusz, not Arrieta, not Britton, not Johnson, not Bergesen...Gausman was rushed and wasn't effectively in any way, shape, or form as a starter...and Dylan Bundy is hurt.

But then you look at organizations like the Cardinals that continue to churn out starting pitcher after starting pitcher. I'm envious.

Yes they do it the right way. It seems like they always have.

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Sorry to single you out Puck but this whole line of thinking has to STOP! Someone earlier posted that Rick's dad was dying. That's not entirely true. Rick Adair's dad died. Rick might be in a state right now. As my own old man is still not doing as well as we'd like... I can see where that would frazzle you.

We should all just BackTFO on the pot shots at Rick Adair. I'm not convinced he was a good or bad PC at this point. But saying he "deserted the team" is a new low for this board.

It sure is. When my dad died it was a real shock.

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How do folks come up with this stuff that Buck doesn't like so and so?

I had a conversation with Buck in 2012 after Tillman had been called up and had worked with Peterson. He was asked about working with Rick on his mechanics and changing his delivery.

He bristled and ,"You mean Adair?" As noted by another poster, he was hired by DD not Buck and Buck has never mentioned him when talking about the work done with any pitchers in the system.

Not exactly a ringing endorsement.

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I would be very happy with Rick Peterson as our pitching coach. Obviously I don't have any personal information on any rift. I think it was fairly obvious from numerous articles over the past couple of years, however, that Buck was crediting his pitching coaches for improvements in pitchers when they happened, and specifically not crediting Rick, even for pitchers who were sent down, went through his biogenisis evaluation, and implemented changes to their deliveries. Buck also gives Griffin a lot of credit. I think Buck's attitude is quite apparent by what hasn't been said - any credit for Rick. Rick's contributions and appreciation have been voiced by Duquette, leading some to speculate (I'm sure there were threads on here about this topic) that there was friction between Dan and Buck over Rick.

No one knows about any friction between Buck and Rick. To suggest there is

without proof is what really irritates me. Just because Buck has never publicly

given Rick the thanks he deserves doesn't mean there are any hard feelings. IMO

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The guy essentially walked out on this team. Good riddance I say

What a cold hearted senseless thing to say. His father was dying. Adair wanted to spend time with him and the family. How can you blame him? The man died later in September.

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No one knows about any friction between Buck and Rick. To suggest there is

without proof is what really irritates me. Just because Buck has never publicly

given Rick the thanks he deserves doesn't mean there are any hard feelings. IMO

I don't sense any rift or friction.

Asked on Sept. 6 whether Adair would return next year, Showalter replied, "I think everything else kind of becomes academic until that situation is taken care of in his mind and in his family's mind. Those other questions, I think it's something that takes such precedent over anything we're doing. Those are discussions for another day and another time, in my mind. And I understand - we can kind of live in a cold world sometimes - but it's a reminder of what's really important in our lives.

"He's in as good of spirits as you could imagine, comparatively speaking. It's a tough time for him and his family."

http://www.masnsports.com/school_of_roch/2013/10/adair-not-returning-as-pitching-coach.html

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I don't sense any rift or friction.

Asked on Sept. 6 whether Adair would return next year, Showalter replied, "I think everything else kind of becomes academic until that situation is taken care of in his mind and in his family's mind. Those other questions, I think it's something that takes such precedent over anything we're doing. Those are discussions for another day and another time, in my mind. And I understand - we can kind of live in a cold world sometimes - but it's a reminder of what's really important in our lives.

"He's in as good of spirits as you could imagine, comparatively speaking. It's a tough time for him and his family."

http://www.masnsports.com/school_of_roch/2013/10/adair-not-returning-as-pitching-coach.html

The poster whom you quoted was talking about Peterson, not Adair.

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Sorry to single you out Puck but this whole line of thinking has to STOP! Someone earlier posted that Rick's dad was dying. That's not entirely true. Rick Adair's dad died. Rick might be in a state right now. As my own old man is still not doing as well as we'd like... I can see where that would frazzle you.

We should all just BackTFO on the pot shots at Rick Adair. I'm not convinced he was a good or bad PC at this point. But saying he "deserted the team" is a new low for this board.

I am not going to go as far as to say that Adair deserted the team. I find the whole thing interesting. People lose parents everyday in this world. Sure everyone mourns differently, but to leave a good paying job for a couple months? If Adair had a normal job, that would never be acceptable. If he needed the money to put food on the table and had to go to work, would that make it ok to not spend every day with his dad? Just because Adair could afford to leave his job and be with his dad, that does not make him any more devoted than the ditch digger that didn't have that luxury. The most interesting part is that he is not returning. Is that Adair's decision? Is it because he will still be mourning come March? He could have been really broken up about his dad, but does that mean he wont ever work again? Come on, I don't get it.

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Neil Allen is the Tampa Rays AAA Durham pitching coach;

A veteran of 11 Major League seasons during his own pitching career, Allen returns to the Bulls for his third (2013) campaign. The 54-year old Kansas native has guided an impressive crop of Durham hurlers, including Matt Moore, Alex Cobb and Chris Archer, to their Tampa Bay Rays debuts.

He should be interviewed.

Better bring the scouts too. Gotta get the talent before you can coach it up.

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