The This Team IS Done, We are Dumb and Nothing can Fix it MEGA THREAD

[MagicBird]

If systematic calculation of the value of events doesn't agree with your pre-formed conclusions it couldn't be your eyeballs (from all the way across the country to Texas) that are mistaken.

Systematic calculation or not, if somebody thinks McClouth or Flaherty are on par with Nellie those are the eyeballs that are mistaken.

[Crazysilver03]

Yet he got $57 million . . . . . . . . . . . . and what are Flaherty and McClouth making? Those non baseball people in Seattle are just idiots apparently.

He got $57M coming off a career year. He got $8M coming off a subpar year and suspension.

Comparing what he makes to Flaherty isn't pointless since he is under team control. McLouth was almost out of baseball but had AAV near $8M a few times.

[DrungoHazewood]

Yet he got $57 million . . . . . . . . . . . . and what are Flaherty and McClouth making? Those non baseball people in Seattle are just idiots apparently.

I'm 100% happy our GM wouldn't give a 35-year-old DH $60M.

[DrungoHazewood]

Systematic calculation or not, if somebody thinks McClouth or Flaherty are on par with Nellie those are the eyeballs that are mistaken.

By what measure? By what logic?

[Crazysilver03]

Systematic calculation or not, if somebody thinks McClouth or Flaherty are on par with Nellie those are the eyeballs that are mistaken.

No one is saying that they are on par, on average. In that one season, their values were pretty similar. Sure Cruz is more likely to have more value moving forward, especially if limited to DHing. But it is also about finding the most value for your dollar.

And at the same time, the WAR stat helps take away the name bias. Which you obviously are falling victim to.

[MagicBird]

I'm 100% happy our GM wouldn't give a 35-year-old DH $60M.

In all honesty I am too, but that doesnt put Nellie in Flaherty's class

[MagicBird]

No one is saying that they are on par, on average. In that one season, their values were pretty similar. Sure Cruz is more likely to have more value moving forward, especially if limited to DHing. But it is also about finding the most value for your dollar.

And at the same time, the WAR stat helps take away the name bias. Which you obviously are falling victim to.

Not falling victim to anything. Just watch them play.

[DrungoHazewood]

In all honesty I am too, but that doesnt put Nellie in Flaherty's class

Last year, no. In 2012 or 2013? Absolutely.

[MagicBird]

By what measure? By what logic?

Just watch the games. I know its a novel concept and so outdated . . . . . . . but the eyes do not lie.

[Crazysilver03]

Not falling victim to anything. Just watch them play.

So you watched Cruz in Texas and now in Seattle?

And nice of you to conveniently ignore the rest of the analysis rendered.

[MagicBird]

Last year, no. In 2012 or 2013? Absolutely.

Not when Nellie was healthy.

[MagicBird]

So you watched Cruz in Texas and now in Seattle?

Yes. I watched a lot of Rangers baseball. Especially the years they went to the World Series. Didnt miss very many games.

[Crazysilver03]

Just watch the games. I know its a novel concept and so outdated . . . . . . . but the eyes do not lie.

The eyes constantly lie. That is like psych101.

[Crazysilver03]

Not when Nellie was healthy.

Cruz was basically league average. With terrible defense. He just had a name. And prospect status. And major trade acquisition.

[MagicBird]

So you watched Cruz in Texas and now in Seattle?

And nice of you to conveniently ignore the rest of the analysis rendered.

The only analysis needed to look at is the comparison to McClouth and Flaherty. You guys can post all the stuff you want, but that comparison is just ludicrous. I know you dont even believe it but you've dug in now so you just gotta keep digging deeper to try and save face.