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Cost considered, who would you prefer to sign among Davis, Upton, Heyward, Cespedes or Gordon?


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Cost considered, who would you prefer among these players?  

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  1. 1. Cost considered, who would you prefer among these players?

    • Chris Davis
    • Justin Upton
    • Jayson Heyward
    • Yoenis Cespedes
    • Alex Gordon
    • None of the above - spend the money elsewhere


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You think it is in our "budget" to offer a seven year contract in FA? I don't. Not at all

I don't think seven year contracts are in the DNA of this franchise. Which is why the organization should be perpetually buying and selling to keep the window to compete open. Instead we are facing a mass exodus of the controllable talent that lead the franchise's long awaited rise to prominence. The alternative names being thrown around in this thread are down right scary if we are hoping to remain a championship contender.

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You think it is in our "budget" to offer a seven year contract in FA? I don't. Not at all

I think 40 million is within budget. Hence two players costing around 20 mil a season is within budget.

Now with two long term contracts, would it make signing Manny to a long term deal tougher? Of course. I don't see us signing more than one free agent to a big deal, I'm just saying it could fit into our annual budget.

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I think it is already too late.
I doubt he wants to sign.

I'd pursue a major extension with Manny as soon as the season ends. If nothing gets accomplished, I'd put out feelers around the league to gauge whether any team is willing to offer up a massive package of talent. It would be painful to move Manny, but I'd rather get a crazy return now versus watching him depart at the age of 25.

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I don't think seven year contracts are in the DNA of this franchise. Which is why the organization should be perpetually buying and selling to keep the window to compete open. Instead we are facing a mass exodus of the controllable talent that lead the franchise's long awaited rise to prominence. The alternative names being thrown around in this thread are down right scary if we are hoping to remain a championship contender.
With this sort of plan, there won't be hardly any team continuity. Players will be coming and going as if in a revolving door. How can a team build any spirit of "team" when players are constantly being encouraged to walk in their "walk" years? Do we root for players, or are we simply rooting for orange-colored jerseys?

I'm not saying that the FO needs to sign every star player to a 7-year contract. But they may need to sign one or two (including Machado) to such a contract. The payments can be deferred for a few years. In fact, that's how many of the teams afford signing long contracts.

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I think 40 million is within budget. Hence two players costing around 20 mil a season is within budget.

Now with two long term contracts, would it make signing Manny to a long term deal tougher? Of course. I don't see us signing more than one free agent to a big deal, I'm just saying it could fit into our annual budget.

But we would still need a COF, two SP, a DH and a LH RP.
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But we would still need a COF, two SP, a DH and a LH RP.

Yep. And we aren't going to fill all those spots even if we opt for smaller contracts. If we are able to resign Davis and add one decent SP and one decent OF I would be happy. I would consider Davis, Kazmir, and Span (after he passes a physical) a successful offseason. Fister, Samardzija (bounce back candidates) and Iwakuma are also pitchers I would look at on shorter contracts.

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Yep. And we aren't going to fill all those spots even if we opt for smaller contracts. If we are able to resign Davis and add one decent SP and one decent OF I would be happy. I would consider Davis, Kazmir, and Span (after he passes a physical) a successful offseason. Fister, Samardzija (bounce back candidates) and Iwakuma are also pitchers I would look at on shorter contracts.

Fister got his fastball up to 90 MPH. In relief two nights ago. Not him for me. Samardzija? Absolutely.

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Davis is going to get 20M plus. Kazmir is going to get 15M. Span is going to get 10M. No picks lost. That's not a bad offseason.

Our lovable Roy Firestone was on 105.7, I think it was last Tuesday evening with Scotty G, and I wish I could remember the exact amount, but it was either 24 or 26 million that he said he woudn't be surprised to see Davis get.

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Fister got his fastball up to 90 MPH. In relief two nights ago. Not him for me. Samardzija? Absolutely.

Fister is not a guy that blows you away with his fastball. His sinker could play well at Camden. I wouldn't mind taking a flyer on the guy. We need two starters IMO and he could be the second one.

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Fister is not a guy that blows you away with his fastball. His sinker could play well at Camden. I wouldn't mind taking a flyer on the guy. We need two starters IMO and he could be the second one.

Would not consider a guy with so little stuff. Our park requires more than a sinker.

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Fister is not a guy that blows you away with his fastball. His sinker could play well at Camden. I wouldn't mind taking a flyer on the guy. We need two starters IMO and he could be the second one.

If he can't hit 90 in relief, we are talking about one of those 86 MPH heroes as a starter.

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Davis is going to get 20M plus. Kazmir is going to get 15M. Span is going to get 10M. No picks lost. That's not a bad offseason.

I don't think Span costs 10 mil. Maybe on a one year. He had labrum surgery and will probably not be fully recovered until around Spring Training. 1/8 or 2/15 could get it done.

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