Hardy Has Been Playing Hurt All Year - Torn Labrum

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Do we have any idea as to whether Hardy's bat can bounce back? Labrum tears are consider a near death sentence for pitchers, but not as bad for position players. That said, there appears to be a few caveats. A recent study looked at pitchers and position players with labrum tears with comparison between nonsurgical and surgical approaches. For injuries where surgery is possible, pitchers returned to form 7% of the time (48% returned to throw a pitch professionally). Surgery for position players resulted in a return to form 54% of the time (85% return for at least a plate appearance. Hardy was in the latter group back in 2004.

In 2015, Hardy is in the non-surgical group. This is not as optimistic. For pitchers who took a non-surgical approach, 22% returned to form (40% returned). For position players, 26% returned to form (39% returned). Again, we do not know the exact specifics of Hardy's injury. We simply know that he is a position player and he is treating himself nonsurgically, so there are assumptions. That said, it appears that Hardy might have a one in four shot being a useful shortstop and a much greater chance that he is simply a major league quality glove with a HiA ball bat. A Paul Janish, but making twenty times more.

http://camdendepot.blogspot.com/2015/10/jj-hardy-and-his-ailing-shoulder.html

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The question now stands as to what can the Orioles do? A trade seems unlikely. Hardy would probably require the club to send about 20 MM with him to make a deal work. As such, he is either on the active roster or on the disabled list. It would not be surprising to see him open the season on the 60 day DL. Maybe after making themselves sure he can no longer play, he might be released at some point in 2016. Needless to say, the club has now sunk about 12% of their roster into a player who is likely a fringe Major Leaguer.

Jon Shepherd

[Tx Oriole]

finding that fountain of youth JJ

at least you duped DD/PA out of 40 million dollars. Come back healthy & strong next year and you might even escape the bottom 20% of ML shortstops

You are pathetic.

[osfan83]

So what have we learned from BRob and Hardy? Don't sign players in there 30's to long term deals.....this is why not signing Cruz and Markakis was the right move...and why throwing a lot of money at Davis for 6 or more years will also be foolish.

You can criticize the Hardy deal and be upset over not signing Cruz....unless you think the from office has a crystal ball.

[weams]

So what have we learned from BRob and Hardy? Don't sign players in there 30's to long term deals.....this is why not signing Cruz and Markakis was the right move...and why throwing a lot of money at Davis for 6 or more years will also be foolish.

You can criticize the Hardy deal and be upset over not signing Cruz....unless you think the from office has a crystal ball.

Or you think Schoop would have knocked Cruz or Markakis over.

[osfan83]

Or you think Schoop would have knocked Cruz or Markakis over.

Maybe Jones runs into Cruz. You just don't know.....but history tells you that a large percentage of players in the mid 30's, and not allowed to take steriods, break down and play at a much lower level than they did in their late 20's and early 30's.

Davis for 8 years will probably give you 4 good years and 4 not so good years....no guarantees, no crystal ball. But for logic sake, you can't curse the FO for the Hardy deals, and curse the FO for not signing Markakis.

[weams]

Maybe Jones runs into Cruz. You just don't know.....but history tells you that a large percentage of players in the mid 30's, and not allowed to take steriods, break down and play at a much lower level than they did in their late 20's and early 30's.

Davis for 8 years will probably give you 4 good years and 4 not so good years....no guarantees, no crystal ball. But for logic sake, you can't curse the FO for the Hardy deals, and curse the FO for not signing Markakis.

Of course not, unless you want to say it is ok to gamble, just not to lose.

[TouchemAll]

In my opinion he should have the surgery. He's just going to get reinjured and we'll have watch Mark Belanger at the plate again in 2016.

Yep and too bad Nolan Ryan doesn't play any more Belanger drove him nuts LOL

[Three Run Homer]

If the Orioles knew about this and both sides were willing to let him play through the pain, then I guess there's nothing to complain about, although I wonder why Buck didn't just have him hit 9th all season.

If J.J. hid this then the O's have a right to be upset. The timing of the Cabrera signing is consistent with the notion that the O's knew about Hardy's injury prior to the season.

[mdbdotcom]

If the Orioles knew about this and both sides were willing to let him play through the pain, then I guess there's nothing to complain about, although I wonder why Buck didn't just have him hit 9th all season.

If J.J. hid this then the O's have a right to be upset. The timing of the Cabrera signing is consistent with the notion that the O's knew about Hardy's injury prior to the season.

They did an MRI, after which Buck said, "They found what they expected to find."