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fearthenoodle Major Leaguer

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So it’s just one of the things that comes with reaching an agreement there, and given the offseason the Orioles have had it’s not like players are trying to stay away, or that Angelos is trying to pinch every penny. Maybe the reputation makes the Orioles a few percentage points less likely to sign a given free agent. Maybe the approach also makes the Orioles a few percentage points less likely to end up paying a lemon. The Orioles are obviously comfortable with the trade-off. Yovani Gallardo might not love it, but at the end of the day, that seems like it’s Yovani Gallardo’s problem.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">It’s Time to Talk About the Orioles and Their Physicals <a href="https://t.co/CVMWXZUnHW">https://t.co/CVMWXZUnHW</a></p>— FanGraphs Baseball (@fangraphs) <a href="

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clapdiddy Hangout Grand Counsel

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So it’s just one of the things that comes with reaching an agreement there, and given the offseason the Orioles have had it’s not like players are trying to stay away, or that Angelos is trying to pinch every penny. Maybe the reputation makes the Orioles a few percentage points less likely to sign a given free agent. Maybe the approach also makes the Orioles a few percentage points less likely to end up paying a lemon. The Orioles are obviously comfortable with the trade-off. Yovani Gallardo might not love it, but at the end of the day, that seems like it’s Yovani Gallardo’s problem.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">It’s Time to Talk About the Orioles and Their Physicals <a href="https://t.co/CVMWXZUnHW">https://t.co/CVMWXZUnHW</a></p>— FanGraphs Baseball (@fangraphs) <a href="

">February 24, 2016</a></blockquote>

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Didn't read the article, but that paragraph you highlight is spot on. The Orioles seem willing to hand out the contracts. Like I've said before...they can't really afford to be wrong.

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xian4 Major Leaguer Rising Star

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There is another point that has been totally missed, if the problem is pretty serious then it may also stop Gallardo from blowing his shoulder. He may be able to rehab it and come back strong. The doctors also have a duty of care to protect Yovani.

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This reminds me of Jurrjens more than, say, Balfour. I think they're going to find some kind of middle ground agreement here. Gallardo needs a job, the O's need pitching depth.

The tough thing is that the draft pick is worth so much, it wouldn't make sense to give Gallardo a 1-year contract even if it was for the league minimum. Or at least it would be roughly at the break even point. In that case, Gallardo is obviously best off waiting until mid-season to sign.

It has to be a multi-year agreement for this to work w/ the draft pick attached. If the medicals are bad enough, a multi-year deal is too risky and there won't be a middle ground for them to find.

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My proposal:

2/22 with a 3rd year vesting option and a 4th year team option. Details:

Year 1 and 2 are identical to original deal: $9MM followed by $11MM.

Year 3 automatically vests at $13MM if Gallardo hits 180 innings in 2017 or a combined 360 between 2016-17. If he misses both marks, it converts to a team option with a $2MM buyout.

Year 4 is a $13MM straight team option, identical to the one in the original deal with a $2MM buyout.

Deal then is 2/22 with the chance to become 3/35 or 4/46 just like the original deal.

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Very possible, but I would bet that enough information is available to get pretty solid feedback in a hurry.

Everybody wants the deal to happen and I'm certain that the Orioles want to minimize the PR hit regardless of the outcome. I don't blame them. I'm surprised that this degree of due diligence isn't the industry norm.

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This reminds me of Jurrjens more than, say, Balfour. I think they're going to find some kind of middle ground agreement here. Gallardo needs a job, the O's need pitching depth.

Yeah but Gallardo isn't pitching depth he was being signed to pitch at or near the top of the rotation. If they aren't sure they can get 500 + innings out of him over three years he's not worth the pick .

When the shoulder goes you will lose his effective innings likely for the duration of the deal.

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