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How much of that is "time to develop" and how much is the system trying to develop them. Harvey isn't even 21, and can't stay on the field. That's concerning, for a guy as young as him. Maybe they will develop. I'm not ready to give up on them. My point was, high upside doesn't guarantee success. That's all I'm saying.

It's all the time. Harvey being elite talent in HS means jack. Everybody hits fastballs so it's working on secondary pitches, developing mental aspect of dealing with defeat and a call not going your way, developing muscle and stamina for 30 starts. Harvey broke his leg on a liner and his elbow started hurting so he was shut down. That's a smart move. He pitched in fall ball. Got a sports hernia and had it repaired this year. He'll pitch this year. He'll have no limits next year. If he pitches like he has in the minors he'll be up in 2018 for sure. Nothing is guaranteed in drafts or sports. Injuries happen but having a certain level of talent allows a better chance of getting to mlb.

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I think any offer the Orioles make for Teheran, Boston will be able to top it. And Boston needs him just as much as we do.

Yes Boston will get someone, but they can't trade for every available starter. The O's will be able to get a deal done. There are so many teams that are in rebuild mode this year that someone will match up with the O's regardless of what the Red Sox do.

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Yes Boston will get someone, but they can't trade for every available starter. The O's will be able to get a deal done with someone. There are so many teams that are in rebuild mode this year that someone will match up with the O's regardless of what the Red Sox do.

Like I said, Francisco Liriano might be had for cheap.

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Yes Boston will get someone, but they can't trade for every available starter. The O's will be able to get a deal done. There are so many teams that are in rebuild mode this year that someone will match up with the O's regardless of what the Red Sox do.

Hopefully we have a big enuff lead on the Sux by then that any trades they make will be a non factor.

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Would you unload the farm system for Julio Teheran?

Bundy, Harvey, Wright, and Sisco. Before you scoff, everyone of our pitchers is a huge question mark and Teheran is young and has a very reasonable contract that ties him up through 2020. Atlanta is going to be terrible for at least the next 2 years. Despite all of their efforts to rebuild, they have nothing right now besides Teheran and Freeman. We would be throwing a lot of talent at them.

Again, Teheran is 25, is on his way to pitching over 200 innings for the 3rd year in a row, and has been worth 3.2, 3.9. 1.5, and 2.2 (so far this year) WAR.

I would.

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Do the Orioles have a single top 100 prospect to trade? Davies wasn't in the top 100. I don't know how good he is going to be. He'd certainly be a better option for our rotation than what we have right now, but that's really not saying much.

I don't know if Davies was an overpay. Sure, in retrospect it was a bad trade, but the Orioles needed an outfielder and Davies wasn't that highly regarded overall, though he certainly had his supporters.

But the point is this: when you trade prospects for established players, sometimes those prospects will become good established players themselves. That's how it works. You don't get to only trade prospects who will fail. Sometimes they succeed. That's how it works.

Thanks for the minimal amount of condescension. I'm aware of what the point is in trading away prospects for established veterans. I think you may be missing my point.

It doesn't matter that they don't have a top 100 ranked prospect. I'm sure Tony-OH or RZNJ or some others would know better than me. I don't have enough time in my life to always keep up with the ML team let alone the rankings of every guy in their system.

There are ways of trading what they do have, packaging prospects together or with ML talent that can find, not just a serviceable addition, but something of value. Not that I necessarily agree with that, it really depends on what the deal is, who is available and the cost to an already weak system.

I'm curious, though, you answered my question about Davies, but the trade was to improve the team in the OF. Did you think Parra was going to move the needle at the time? I, along with many others, certainly did not.

You see, the organization is depleted throughout so saying Davies wasn't widely regarded is really an afterthought when you compare where he was in the organization. You've already stated he would have been useful to the team this year (even if it was tacitly given) so, then why does throwing away whatever prospects they do have (top 100 ranking or no) seem like a good idea? Now, if it had been for someone who had a real chance of improving the team then sure.

I'm not all or nothing about this either. I don't believe every deal done by DD has been a bad one. I just think there has been a pattern of not restocking the farm in favor of marginal signings and trades which followed the same pattern. And it started with the Jimenez signing. If it would have ended there I'd say they can occasionally roll the dice and not have it work out. Trading away a potential back end starter and then subsequently giving away another high draft pick for another marginal back of the rotation guy tells me otherwise. I don't think it's sustainable long term. In it's very essence it's short-sighted. And that's how that works.

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How much of that is "time to develop" and how much is the system trying to develop them. Harvey isn't even 21, and can't stay on the field. That's concerning, for a guy as young as him. Maybe they will develop. I'm not ready to give up on them. My point was, high upside doesn't guarantee success. That's all I'm saying.
If you are looking for a guarantee of success you are looking at the wrong sport.
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Did you think Parra was going to move the needle at the time? I, along with many others, certainly did not.

You see, the organization is depleted throughout so saying Davies wasn't widely regarded is really an afterthought when you compare where he was in the organization. You've already stated he would have been useful to the team this year (even if it was tacitly given) so, then why does throwing away whatever prospects they do have (top 100 ranking or no) seem like a good idea? Now, if it had been for someone who had a real chance of improving the team then sure.

I'm not all or nothing about this either. I don't believe every deal done by DD has been a bad one. I just think there has been a pattern of not restocking the farm in favor of marginal signings and trades which followed the same pattern. And it started with the Jimenez signing. .

If Parra would have stayed even close to the production he'd had for the first 100 games of the season he would have definitely moved the needle, particularly given the outfield situation at the time. You can argue that since it was a career year that it wasn't likely to continue into 2016 but it's reasonable to assume he'd continue to play well in Baltimore for the remainder of the season.

Ditto for Ubaldo. He was one of the best pitchers in baseball for the second half of 2013. That was pretty high risk but the reward was potentially enormous. The draft pick through the context of Cruz transaction is less bothersome to me.

It sucks that neither one of them worked out but at the time of each transaction one can reasonably see the math the DD did. I think there are worse examples.

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