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On 12/23/2016 at 8:27 AM, Frobby said:

I think the odds that we sign Trumbo just went way up.   It's pretty clear now that Trumbo's initial demands were unrealistic and that the Orioles' offer was in the ballpark of what he'll ultimately get.

Yep, if I'm the O's, I'd offer Trumbo 3yrs,/36 million.

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3 minutes ago, weams said:

Many people thought that the Orioles should lower their offer to Davis last season to 118. I suspect that does not happen here either. 

I agree.    It's pretty rare for a team to lower an offer once it's made, even if the offer was supposedly taken off the table at some point.    

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Just now, Frobby said:

I agree.    It's pretty rare for a team to lower an offer once it's made, even if the offer was supposedly taken off the table at some point.    

I suspect many people will shake their fists in rage when the Orioles do not. 

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8 minutes ago, weams said:

I suspect many people will shake their fists in rage when the Orioles do not. 

Well, I certainly hope they at least hold the line.    If they raise their offer to, say, 4/$60 mm it will tick me off.    The offer they reportedly put out there (4/$52-56 mm) is plenty generous enough, and arguably too much.

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On 12/22/2016 at 9:43 PM, ChuckS said:

I hope so.  The last time we pulled an offer off the table the player (Chris Davis) ended up back at the table for significantly more.  I would be okay with getting Trumbo back at something like 3/40 if the plan is to only play him in RF versus LHP.  Gotta think he gets at least 50 mil from someone though - whether it is three or four years.  

The Orioles need Mark Trumbo plain and simple. He is only 30 years old, absolutely loves playing for the Orioles and is the perfect hitter for Camden Yards. Mark Trumbo is also becoming a better hitter. You can make the case that he is just now coming into his prime years. Buck Showalter even said it himself at how Mark is growing as a hitter. I am sick and tired of my favorite players leaving the Orioles due to free agency. Pay the man Dan! 

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1 hour ago, Machado13 said:

I think after a certain stage of negotiations, he got pissed and told the Blue Jays to go you know what. He seemed annoyed with how they treated him and moved on.

Cost him at least 35 million. It's great to be the Pissed Off Disrespected Guy.

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10 minutes ago, weams said:

Cost him at least 35 million. It's great to be the Pissed Off Disrespected Guy.

How do you figure?   The most Toronto offered was 4/$80 mm, right?    He'll get at least 3/$65 mm and maybe 4/$85 mm from the Indians.  

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5 minutes ago, Frobby said:

How do you figure?   The most Toronto offered was 4/$80 mm, right?    He'll get at least 3/$65 mm and maybe 4/$85 mm from the Indians.  

There was a fifth year 20 million dollar option. That required moderate health and would have become guaranteed if traded or released. 

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4 minutes ago, Frobby said:

How do you figure?   The most Toronto offered was 4/$80 mm, right?    He'll get at least 3/$65 mm and maybe 4/$85 mm from the Indians.  

As I understand it, the $60 already includes the $5 buyout.  It was actually 3/$55 with a $25 team option on year 4 that carries a $5 buy out.  Also the 4/$80 offer carried a $20 team option for year 5.  I'm not sure what the buyout was, but if it was $5 like the current deal, The total loss is at least $25 million for EE, if my math is right.

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5 minutes ago, weams said:

There was a fifth year 20 million dollar option. That required moderate health and would have become guaranteed if traded or released. 

Fair enough.   He still may end up doing as well or better if he's still good in 2019-20, but that's a big risk.   

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9 minutes ago, Number5 said:

As I understand it, the $60 already includes the $5 buyout.  It was actually 3/$55 with a $25 team option on year 4 that carries a $5 buy out.  Also the 4/$80 offer carried a $20 team option for year 5.  I'm not sure what the buyout was, but if it was $5 like the current deal, The total loss is at least $25 million for EE, if my math is right.

Thanks for the clarification.

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2 minutes ago, Frobby said:

Fair enough.   He still may end up doing as well or better if he's still good in 2019-20, but that's a big risk.   

It's a risk worth taking for the Indians since Encarnacion gives them that much more of a chance to win a WS.  The Indians are the team the O's should emulate.  They're not only a WS caliber team, but they might also have the strongest minor league system in the league.  If they felt they needed an upgrade at 3B they could easily trade for Manny Machado, let Manny walk in 2 years because they can't afford to sign him, and then trade for another player of Manny's caliber whenever they feel like it.

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