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1 minute ago, weams said:

Saunders failed the PRE agreement physical at the winter meetings. Orioles only interested if a one year according to MLB trade rumors 

I hadn't heard this.  Too bad.  He was the best option out there, IMO.  Shoulder?

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1 minute ago, weams said:

He has always been hurt and he is worse in the field than Trumbo. Without he rocket arm also. 

No, he really isn't.  His defensive deficiencies are very much overstayed on this board.  Saunders was 4th among all AL outfielders in total zone runs, and first among right fielders, in 2014.  His metrics have fluctuated greatly, which are more a statement about the consistency and accuracy of the metrics than about Saunders.  He has always shown well in right field, though.  He is actually known to have a good arm.  The only real concern about Saunders is tje health of his shoulder.  If you say he failed a physical with the Orioles, that is pretty much that.

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1 minute ago, Number5 said:

No, he really isn't.  His defensive deficiencies are very much overstayed on this board.  Saunders was 4th among all AL outfielders in total zone runs, and first among right fielders, in 2014.  His metrics have fluctuated greatly, which are more a statement about the consistency and accuracy of the metrics than about Saunders.  He has always shown well in right field, though.  He is actually known to have a good arm.  The only real concern about Saunders is tje health of his shoulder.  If you say he failed a physical with the Orioles, that is pretty much that.

Well, that is certainly opinion and not fact.

I think it is just as, if not more, likely that the performance level is fluctuating while the standards remain constant.

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Just now, Can_of_corn said:

Well, that is certainly opinion and not fact.

I think it is just as, if not more, likely that the performance level is fluctuating while the standards remain constant.

Yes, my opinion.  Sorry, thought I had typed IMO.  While the so-called standards are constant, I disagree that the application of them is.

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59 minutes ago, Number5 said:

No, he really isn't.  His defensive deficiencies are very much overstayed on this board.  Saunders was 4th among all AL outfielders in total zone runs, and first among right fielders, in 2014.  His metrics have fluctuated greatly, which are more a statement about the consistency and accuracy of the metrics than about Saunders.  He has always shown well in right field, though.  He is actually known to have a good arm.  The only real concern about Saunders is tje health of his shoulder.  If you say he failed a physical with the Orioles, that is pretty much that.

I haven't seen him too often, but I doubt he's worth than Trumbo, who's in the bottom 10-15% of all outfielders I've seen on the Orioles in terms of getting to and catching the baseball.

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1 hour ago, weams said:

He has always been hurt and he is worse in the field than Trumbo. Without he rocket arm also. 

Saunders did have a bad season in 2016 by the metrics, but I find it hard to believe he is worse than Trumbo in the field moving forward.  The medicals are the main concern with him.

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8 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

Higher or lower than Larry Sheets?

Worst Orioles' outfielders I have seen (eye test only):

1.   Jeff Stone

2.   Andres Mora

3.   Larry Sheets

4.   Mark Trumbo

4 (tie).  Delmon Young

I'm sure there are many others I've blocked out of my mind.   And Hyun Soo Kim isn't too far down this list.   

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4 minutes ago, 25 Nuggets said:

Saunders did have a bad season in 2016 by the metrics, but I find it hard to believe he is worse than Trumbo in the field moving forward.  The medicals are the main concern with him.

Yeah, according to the metrics, Saunders has gone from below average center fielder, to best in the league right fielder, to out-for-the-season-injured, to poor left fielder over the past four seasons.  His hitting apparently didn't suffer from lingering effects from the shoulder injury, but the fielding apparently suffered greatly.  Weams spoiled my Christmas with his news today that Saunders had failed an Orioles' physical.  I was really hoping another year past the shoulder injury would bring normalization of Saunders' fielding results, and that the Orioles were heavily in on him.  Now the point seems moot if the Orioles have deemed him un-signable for health reasons.

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1 minute ago, Number5 said:

Yeah, according to the metrics, Saunders has gone from below average center fielder, to best in the league right fielder, to out-for-the-season-injured, to poor left fielder over the past four seasons.  His hitting apparently didn't suffer from lingering effects from the shoulder injury, but the fielding apparently suffered greatly.  Weams spoiled my Christmas with his news today that Saunders had failed an Orioles' physical.  I was really hoping another year past the shoulder injury would bring normalization of Saunders' fielding results, and that the Orioles were heavily in on him.  Now the point seems moot if the Orioles have deemed him un-signable for health reasons.

Was that an Orioles physical?  In any case his stock is such that he may sign a 1 yr deal anyway.

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1 minute ago, 25 Nuggets said:

Was that an Orioles physical?  In any case his stock is such that he may sign a 1 yr deal anyway.

Don't know.  I hadn't heard anything about it until Weams mentioned it today.  Weams' post gave me the impression that it was an Orioles' physical, but perhaps I misunderstood.

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6 minutes ago, Frobby said:

Worst Orioles' outfielders I have seen (eye test only):

1.   Jeff Stone

2.   Andres Mora

3.   Larry Sheets

4.   Mark Trumbo

4 (tie).  Delmon Young

I'm sure there are many others I've blocked out of my mind.   And Hyun Soo Kim isn't too far down this list.   

Don't remember Mora (RIP) but I'm in agreement on the rest of the list. 

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