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Dan Connolly: Orioles Cheap? Get your head out of last Decade


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Just now, Can_of_corn said:

And you think having Davis, Manny, Schoop and 22 bodies is the right path to contention?

As opposed to having one albatross surrounded by a smartly built team.

I'm a Schoop fan but I'm not interested in giving him a long term big money contract.

Good luck. Schoop and Manny put butts in seats, and make it viable to continue investment. No fans, no $ and ultimately we'e back to where we were pre-Buck.

Not sure how you build a smart team with that albatross, but IMHO it would begin with a decent farm system but... that ain't happening either.

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9 minutes ago, big_sparxx said:

Good luck. Schoop and Manny put butts in seats, and make it viable to continue investment. No fans, no $ and ultimately we'e back to where we were pre-Buck.

Not sure how you build a smart team with that albatross, but IMHO it would begin with a decent farm system but... that ain't happening either.

You think folks buy tickets to see Schoop?

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1 minute ago, Can_of_corn said:

You think folks buy tickets to see Schoop?

He's not the sole reason. But would you rather have Flaherty? If you ask me would I rather have Schoop than Trumbo, I think it's a clear cut case. Defensively he's A+ and his offense is coming. I think people pay to see their favorite players, and Schoop, fills that role very well.

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1 minute ago, big_sparxx said:

He's not the sole reason. But would you rather have Flaherty? If you ask me would I rather have Schoop than Trumbo, I think it's a clear cut case. Defensively he's A+ and his offense is coming. I think people pay to see their favorite players, and Schoop, fills that role very well.

I don't want to give Flaherty or Trumbo long term big money deals either.

As for defense he hasn't had the same range since his injury and I'd grade him closer to a B- than an A+.  And as for his offense coming along, he hit 225/252/391 in the second half.

That being said I'm a fan and I'd extend him at the right price, but that price isn't big money.

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6 minutes ago, big_sparxx said:

He's not the sole reason. But would you rather have Flaherty? If you ask me would I rather have Schoop than Trumbo, I think it's a clear cut case. Defensively he's A+ and his offense is coming. I think people pay to see their favorite players, and Schoop, fills that role very well.

His range is lacking. But he's a linebacker. I'll give you that. 

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4 minutes ago, big_sparxx said:

He's not the sole reason. But would you rather have Flaherty? If you ask me would I rather have Schoop than Trumbo, I think it's a clear cut case. Defensively he's A+ and his offense is coming. I think people pay to see their favorite players, and Schoop, fills that role very well.

I'd rather have Schoop, too.   But price is not irrelevant.   If I could have Schoop's first 4 FA seasons for $52 mm (what we've reportedly offered Trumbo) and pay him say $23 mm for the 3 arb years, I'd do it without hesitation.   But my guess is he'd demand a lot more.

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11 minutes ago, Frobby said:

I'd rather have Schoop, too.   But price is not irrelevant.   If I could have Schoop's first 4 FA seasons for $52 mm (what we've reportedly offered Trumbo) and pay him say $23 mm for the 3 arb years, I'd do it without hesitation.   But my guess is he'd demand a lot more.

$75M guaranteed for Schoop.  I'd encourage him to take that if I was his agent.  I'd say he'd make about $5M more in the arbitration years compared to him going through the process.

I'm a Schoop fan and believe he can really break out.  But if he's hovering around a .300 OBP over the next three seasons, it'll be tough for him to command a $13M a year contract, IMO.

It is a fair offer though.

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12 minutes ago, backwardsk said:

$75M guaranteed for Schoop.  I'd encourage him to take that if I was his agent.  I'd say he'd make about $5M more in the arbitration years compared to him going through the process.

I'm a Schoop fan and believe he can really break out.  But if he's hovering around a .300 OBP over the next three seasons, it'll be tough for him to command a $13M a year contract, IMO.

It is a fair offer though.

Schoop sold ten percent of his total career income because he was afraid that he would not make over 45 million in his career. He told that to Hendu if I remember correctly. 

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2 minutes ago, weams said:

Schoop sold ten percent of his total career income because he was afraid that he would not make over 45 million in his career. He told that to Hendu if I remember correctly. 

Yes.  For $4.1M.  I'm not sure how much that will impact his desire to extend.

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12 hours ago, Frobby said:

What's your point?   The Orioles are currently projected to have the 8th highest payoll in baseball.    That isn't cheap, no matter how you slice it.   

And by the way, the reason the Red Sox don't rely on Rule 5 guys is because they have one of the best farm systems in baseball.    You don't need to draft a guy from another organization when your own system is producing guys year after year.

Why don't the O's have a farm system like the Red Sox?  We had better pick numbers than the Red Sox.

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