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6 hours ago, weams said:

Orioles have a center fielder. 23 homers. 43 Stolen bases.  Fifth in the major leagues in active steals. He's very fast. 

They hit the same amount of homers and pagan did it in a pitchers park. Pagan has easily had a better career and is a much better hitter.

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Just now, Babypowder said:

They hit the same amount of homers and pagan did it in a pitchers park. Pagan has easily had a better career and is a much better hitter.

Yeah, last year.  I'll stick with my choice and we'll see who does better this season.

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On 12/30/2016 at 11:12 AM, Can_of_corn said:

Hmm take a good first baseman and make him into a poor right fielder than replace him at first with someone who isn't as good defensively.

That sound like a heck of an idea.

Why do you assume Davis would be a poor right fielder? Maybe the eyeball test doesn't serve him well. But... He does have a track record in right and by some metrics, he's arguably a better defensive right fielder than first baseman, from what I recall.

Count me as a fan of moving Davis to right and choosing from a plethora of nice options at first, including Mancini, Napoli and possibly Trumbo. One question to answer: would Davis even agree to such a move?

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3 hours ago, Bradysburns said:

Why do you assume Davis would be a poor right fielder? Maybe the eyeball test doesn't serve him well. But... He does have a track record in right and by some metrics, he's arguably a better defensive right fielder than first baseman, from what I recall.

Count me as a fan of moving Davis to right and choosing from a plethora of nice options at first, including Mancini, Napoli and possibly Trumbo. One question to answer: would Davis even agree to such a move?

I have no doubt in my mind that Davis is a better outfielder than Mark Trumbo. 

Davis has shown more range and a better arm/quicker release in his limited time out there.  I think he would get better with experience and actually has the potential to be major league average out there, where as Trumbo does not. 

I've always been a big advocate of Davis in RF, at least on a part time basis.  It allows you to bring back Alvarez as your DH versus LHP with Mancini at 1B. I'm still playing Davis at 1B versus RHP and bringing in another OF who can play some D (R. Davis, Bourn, maybe Rasmus).  Just a lot more overall flexibility with lineup configurations if Davis can play RF.  

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3 hours ago, Bradysburns said:

Why do you assume Davis would be a poor right fielder? Maybe the eyeball test doesn't serve him well. But... He does have a track record in right and by some metrics, he's arguably a better defensive right fielder than first baseman, from what I recall.

Count me as a fan of moving Davis to right and choosing from a plethora of nice options at first, including Mancini, Napoli and possibly Trumbo. One question to answer: would Davis even agree to such a move?

If he doesn't agree with a move, what can he do? Other than sulk and be unprofessional in the clubhouse?

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4 hours ago, ChuckS said:

I have no doubt in my mind that Davis is a better outfielder than Mark Trumbo. 

Davis has shown more range and a better arm/quicker release in his limited time out there.  I think he would get better with experience and actually has the potential to be major league average out there, where as Trumbo does not. 

I've always been a big advocate of Davis in RF, at least on a part time basis.  It allows you to bring back Alvarez as your DH versus LHP with Mancini at 1B. I'm still playing Davis at 1B versus RHP and bringing in another OF who can play some D (R. Davis, Bourn, maybe Rasmus).  Just a lot more overall flexibility with lineup configurations if Davis can play RF.  

Yeah, I'd run with this. If one agreed with the premise that CD could play some right... maybe *should* play some right... then the Alvarez/Mancini arrangement makes a ton of sense. And frankly, I liked most of what I saw from Bourn last year in right. Yeah, he miffed some important would-be catches. Still, he made some spectacular catches, as well... more than the bad stuff. It really solves a lot of problems. We are way thicker at 1B/DH than RF, obviously... when we're talking about starting Joey Rickard in right. Wow. Love the kid but really? Is he ready for full-time duty in right?

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4 hours ago, Bahama O's Fan said:

If he doesn't agree with a move, what can he do? Other than sulk and be unprofessional in the clubhouse?

I guess that's about it, unless there's some crazy clause in his contract that guarantees him the 1B spot. I doubt such a clause exists of course.

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6 hours ago, Bradysburns said:

Yeah, I'd run with this. If one agreed with the premise that CD could play some right... maybe *should* play some right... then the Alvarez/Mancini arrangement makes a ton of sense. And frankly, I liked most of what I saw from Bourn last year in right. Yeah, he miffed some important would-be catches. Still, he made some spectacular catches, as well... more than the bad stuff. It really solves a lot of problems. We are way thicker at 1B/DH than RF, obviously... when we're talking about starting Joey Rickard in right. Wow. Love the kid but really? Is he ready for full-time duty in right?

Michael Bourn has been awful for the last 3 seasons, excluding the handful of PAs he got with the Orioles at the end of last season.

Davis doesn't have enough innings in the outfield for his metrics to mean anything at all, but I think he hasn't looked great out there. Sure, he can throw, but he's not as athletic as people around here make him out to be. He moves well for a big guy, but he lumbers around for a major league quality outfielder. As I've posted previously, here's some limited video evidence:

This is terrible.

http://m.mlb.com/shared/video/embed/embed.html?content_id=217424883&topic_id=6479266

Bad route and jump even though he makes this play

http://m.mlb.com/shared/video/embed/embed.html?content_id=217407183&topic_id=6479266

Last season on a "double" by Carlos Correa

http://m.mlb.com/shared/video/embed/embed.html?content_id=1079153183&topic_id=6479266

I'm pretty confident Davis would be well below average as a full time right fielder.

 

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34 minutes ago, Babypowder said:

Michael Bourn has been awful for the last 3 seasons, excluding the handful of PAs he got with the Orioles at the end of last season.

Davis doesn't have enough innings in the outfield for his metrics to mean anything at all, but I think he hasn't looked great out there. Sure, he can throw, but he's not as athletic as people around here make him out to be. He moves well for a big guy, but he lumbers around for a major league quality outfielder. As I've posted previously, here's some limited video evidence:

This is terrible.

http://m.mlb.com/shared/video/embed/embed.html?content_id=217424883&topic_id=6479266

Bad route and jump even though he makes this play

http://m.mlb.com/shared/video/embed/embed.html?content_id=217407183&topic_id=6479266

Last season on a "double" by Carlos Correa

http://m.mlb.com/shared/video/embed/embed.html?content_id=1079153183&topic_id=6479266

I'm pretty confident Davis would be well below average as a full time right fielder.

 

Keeping it real, thanks!

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17 hours ago, Babypowder said:

Michael Bourn has been awful for the last 3 seasons, excluding the handful of PAs he got with the Orioles at the end of last season.

Davis doesn't have enough innings in the outfield for his metrics to mean anything at all, but I think he hasn't looked great out there. Sure, he can throw, but he's not as athletic as people around here make him out to be. He moves well for a big guy, but he lumbers around for a major league quality outfielder. As I've posted previously, here's some limited video evidence:

This is terrible.

http://m.mlb.com/shared/video/embed/embed.html?content_id=217424883&topic_id=6479266

Bad route and jump even though he makes this play

http://m.mlb.com/shared/video/embed/embed.html?content_id=217407183&topic_id=6479266

Last season on a "double" by Carlos Correa

http://m.mlb.com/shared/video/embed/embed.html?content_id=1079153183&topic_id=6479266

I'm pretty confident Davis would be well below average as a full time right fielder.

 

I appreciate the effort to find the examples. And giving up on the "home run" ball was really bad. But the one where he makes the catch was actually pretty impressive. And how many years of footage do these examples cover? I could probably go cull out some really great defensive plays he made out there - particularly put-outs.

I'm not saying he's a plus defender out there necessarily. But do you really think he would be worse than Trumbo? 

And as far as Bourn, he's got a pretty long track record. So I could go with lifetime and most recent season as perhaps more relevant that the prior ones. But in all seriousness, I respect your analysis. I just don't agree with it.

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