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It also works for me because the Orioles didn’t surrender reliever Brad Brach, who’s much too valuable in my opinion and whose loss would weaken a unit that’s needed to cover for any rotation sins. They need a dominant bullpen to shorten games, and I’ll take my chances with Brach, Zach Britton, Darren O’Day, Mychal Givens and Donnie Hart.

The Orioles won’t need to move a starter into the bullpen as a long reliever unless it’s someone like Tyler Wilson or Mike Wright, and they seem inclined to keep the latter in his current role. Logan Verrett is a top candidate to replace Vance Worley, though the Orioles haven’t closed the door on re-signing the Vanimal

 

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A right-handed hitting outfielder would appear to be on executive vice president Dan Duquette’s shopping list. However, after checking around yesterday, it seems that another left-handed hitter is a possibility. Either way, I’ve written in the past that Duquette sought multiple outfielders this winter. Plural, not singular. The Orioles can deal with the crowd if someone else is added to the mix.

Trumbo remains in the picture despite yesterday’s trade. I keep stressing that he isn’t tied to any decisions involving right field. The Orioles wanted a defensive upgrade and they got it with Smith.

Trumbo influences what the Orioles decide to do at designated hitter. They’re not likely to carry Trumbo and Pedro Alvarez, who also projects mainly as a DH.

Smith’s arrival doesn’t automatically end any interest in Alvarez. The Orioles will take another left-handed bat, and they’d certainly have a spot for Alvarez if Trumbo signs with another team. But they may prefer someone who also can provide assistance in the field rather than a strict DH.

I’m also not convinced that the Orioles still need a leadoff hitter with Smith making only 80 starts atop the order.

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29 minutes ago, Dark Helmet said:

I'm going to assume Trumbo will be an Oriole. So here's my lineup.

 

1. Jones CF

2. Kim DH

3. Machado 3B

4. Davis 1B

5. Trumbo RF

6. Smith LF

7. Schoop 2B

8. Castillo C

9. Hardy SS

Rickard, Tavares, Flaherty, Joseph

I hope not or we are destined for fourth place. This is a weaker line-up than last year and, remarkably, an even worse defensive outfield! They have no choice but to sign an outfielder who can play good defense. And that bench listed above offers absolutely no pop.

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43 minutes ago, Dark Helmet said:

I'm going to assume Trumbo will be an Oriole. So here's my lineup.

 

1. Jones CF

2. Kim DH

3. Machado 3B

4. Davis 1B

5. Trumbo RF

6. Smith LF

7. Schoop 2B

8. Castillo C

9. Hardy SS

Rickard, Tavares, Flaherty, Joseph

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At this point, it seems a hitter who could play some outfield and serve as designated hitter while holding his own against left-handed pitching is the final piece to this puzzle, a puzzle that Smith makes fairly complete on his own.

All that’s left to determine is who that last piece would be, and where he fits.

 

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Jon Morosi of MLB Network reports that the Orioles have expressed interest in free agent slugger Brandon Moss.

Morosi notes that the interest remains despite acquiring Seth Smith from the Mariners on Friday. The O's currently have a vacancy in their lineup for a designated hitter, and Moss would seem to be a nice fit. Moss clubbed 28 homers for the Cardinals in 2016 while slashing .225/.300/.484.
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1 minute ago, weams said:

Jon Morosi of MLB Network reports that the Orioles have expressed interest in free agent slugger Brandon Moss.

Morosi notes that the interest remains despite acquiring Seth Smith from the Mariners on Friday. The O's currently have a vacancy in their lineup for a designated hitter, and Moss would seem to be a nice fit. Moss clubbed 28 homers for the Cardinals in 2016 while slashing .225/.300/.484.

No thanks, look at the OBP....let's not forget all left handed starters the Sox have!

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29 minutes ago, pastorfan said:

I hope not or we are destined for fourth place. This is a weaker line-up than last year and, remarkably, an even worse defensive outfield! They have no choice but to sign an outfielder who can play good defense. And that bench listed above offers absolutely no pop.

How does swapping out Wieters and Alvarez for Smith and Castillo make the lineup materially worse?

i'll hang up and listen.

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OK, I will bite. Castillo for Wieters is a net loss. Wieters is far superior defensively at a premium defensive position. Lineup? Offensively they may have held serve, but after all it is about scoring more runs than you allow. So in my mind, that one is a net negative. I like the Gallardo trade for Smith. It remains to be seen who we drop off in place of Seth, but the team still needs to add a defensive minded outfielder to add to the mix, and preferably a guy who can leadoff and get on base.

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1 hour ago, backwardsk said:

How does swapping out Wieters and Alvarez for Smith and Castillo make the lineup materially worse?

i'll hang up and listen.

I think Wieters and Alvarez are slightly better offensively, but my main point is defense. On a given night you cannot have any two of Smith, Kim, Rickard in the outfield and have a good defense.  I think Rickard needs to be replaced with a better defensive outfielder as well as bringing in a good defense OF'der who is lefthanded. Pagan, the switch hitter makes too much sense. I'd love to replace Rickard with a guy who plays good defense and smashes left handers.

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50 minutes ago, theobird said:

OK, I will bite. Castillo for Wieters is a net loss. Wieters is far superior defensively at a premium defensive position. Lineup? Offensively they may have held serve, but after all it is about scoring more runs than you allow. So in my mind, that one is a net negative. I like the Gallardo trade for Smith. It remains to be seen who we drop off in place of Seth, but the team still needs to add a defensive minded outfielder to add to the mix, and preferably a guy who can leadoff and get on base.

Is Wieters better than Castillo?  He hasn't been in any of the past four seasons.  I do agree that Smith and Kim in the corners is not ideal.  There is still more work to be done.  I'd like to get Granderson and Jennings.

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4 minutes ago, backwardsk said:

Is Wieters better than Castillo?  He hasn't been in any of the past four seasons.  I do agree that Smith and Kim in the corners is not ideal.  There is still more work to be done.  I'd like to get Granderson and Jennings.

I haven't looked at the numbers since they picked up Castillo but pretty sure he was at the bottom of the league in 2014-2015 when taking everything into account.

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