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41 minutes ago, Redskins Rick said:

you and I will have to agree to disagree.

Ryan plays plus defense at least 3 positions, and thats not something found often in MLB.

Which three? And which defensive metrics are you using? Flaherty, to me, is an entirely average fielder. He just happens to be able to be average at a variety f positions. And his bat negates his value at a few of them.

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Everything here points to a Michael Bourn resign.  He would not be getting regular plate appearances.

With many OFs getting minor league deals, the rest of the market is almost gone:

  • Brennan Boesch
  • Coco Crisp
  • Sam Fuld
  • Franklin Gutierrez
  • Angel Pagan
  • Ryan Raburn
  • Nolan Reimold
  • Jerry Sands
  • Will Venable

That's it folks.  The only other guys on the market are people you've never heard of.

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5 minutes ago, FlipTheBird said:

Which three? And which defensive metrics are you using? Flaherty, to me, is an entirely average fielder. He just happens to be able to be average at a variety f positions. And his bat negates his value at a few of them.

I think personal eye test and anecdotal support from coworkers and management might have more credence than sporadic, unsupported defensive analytic data on a utility player. 

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2 minutes ago, weams said:

I think personal eye test and anecdotal support from coworkers and management might have more credence than sporadic, unsupported defensive analytic data on a utility player. 

Flash is credible at every position I've seen him play.   The numbers seem to support that his best positions are 2B and 3B, and the eye test supports that.   That's also where he's been used the most, by far.    The fact that a Hardy's missed about 90 games the last two years and Flash has only made 12 starts there in that time tells you that Buck doesn't think he's a plus defender there.    

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6 minutes ago, Frobby said:

Flash is credible at every position I've seen him play.   The numbers seem to support that his best positions are 2B and 3B, and the eye test supports that.   That's also where he's been used the most, by far.    The fact that a Hardy's missed about 90 games the last two years and Flash has only made 12 starts there in that time tells you that Buck doesn't think he's a plus defender there.    

This is essentially how I feel. He can certainly play a lot of positions - he's not Steve Pearce-ing and trying to make a square peg fit into a round hole because the team is out of options. But I haven't seen him be anything more than acceptable at any one position.

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11 minutes ago, Frobby said:

Flash is credible at every position I've seen him play.   The numbers seem to support that his best positions are 2B and 3B, and the eye test supports that.   That's also where he's been used the most, by far.    The fact that a Hardy's missed about 90 games the last two years and Flash has only made 12 starts there in that time tells you that Buck doesn't think he's a plus defender there.    

I can agree with your analysis. 

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2 hours ago, FlipTheBird said:

This is essentially how I feel. He can certainly play a lot of positions - he's not Steve Pearce-ing and trying to make a square peg fit into a round hole because the team is out of options. But I haven't seen him be anything more than acceptable at any one position.

His play at third was not Manny, but there is only one Manny, and it was outstanding, to my eye test, I agree with Frobby, its his best position.

When Janish was up and on the roster along with Flaherty, it was easy for Buck to write Janish in the lineup, as he is clearly a plus defender at SS.

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3 hours ago, 25 Nuggets said:

Everything here points to a Michael Bourn resign.  He would not be getting regular plate appearances.

With many OFs getting minor league deals, the rest of the market is almost gone:

  • Brennan Boesch
  • Coco Crisp
  • Sam Fuld
  • Franklin Gutierrez
  • Angel Pagan
  • Ryan Raburn
  • Nolan Reimold
  • Jerry Sands
  • Will Venable

That's it folks.  The only other guys on the market are people you've never heard of.

I've heard of Jeff Francoeur.

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2 hours ago, Redskins Rick said:

His play at third was not Manny, but there is only one Manny, and it was outstanding, to my eye test, I agree with Frobby, its his best position.

When Janish was up and on the roster along with Flaherty, it was easy for Buck to write Janish in the lineup, as he is clearly a plus defender at SS.

Frobby said that Flaherty passed the eye test. You're the one that's labeling his defense there as outstanding, which I think is a severe overreach.

Further, Flaherty's bat is impossibly below average for a third baseman. He'd never be able to start there in anything but an emergency situation.

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1 hour ago, RZNJ said:

Somehow, I feel like there's a gentleman's agreement between Trumbo and the O's that he will not be a full time DH.    There has been zero talk about getting a RH hitting outfielder.

It would be so awesome reading Corn if we resign Alvarez in the next week or two.

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4 hours ago, 25 Nuggets said:

Everything here points to a Michael Bourn resign.  He would not be getting regular plate appearances.

With many OFs getting minor league deals, the rest of the market is almost gone:

  • Brennan Boesch
  • Coco Crisp
  • Sam Fuld
  • Franklin Gutierrez
  • Angel Pagan
  • Ryan Raburn
  • Nolan Reimold
  • Jerry Sands
  • Will Venable

That's it folks.  The only other guys on the market are people you've never heard of.

We would need Bourn to platoon against LHP, but he is lefty with a .644 OPS split. He would have been perfect until we brought in Seth Smith.

From this list, I would go for Franklin Gutierrez if he could get past the O's physical. .846 OPS vs LHP, good defender capable of backing up Jones, and health concerns would be less of an issue in a platoon role.

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13 minutes ago, Aristotelian said:

We would need Bourn to platoon against LHP, but he is lefty with a .644 OPS split. He would have been perfect until we brought in Seth Smith.

From this list, I would go for Franklin Gutierrez if he could get past the O's physical. .846 OPS vs LHP, good defender capable of backing up Jones, and health concerns would be less of an issue in a platoon role.

Pretty small chance he would pass a physical.

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