Astros Stealing Signs in 2017

[weams]

 

[Uli2001]

The picture of the Astros that has emerged over the past few weeks is not flattering to say the least. They still have developed a very talented group of players. But one wonders.

[weams]

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/11/report-houston-executive-suggested-scouts-use-cameras-to-steal-signs.html

[Dreadnought]

Do the members here think Elias's pedigree of coming from an organization willing to do anything necessary to win bodes well for the future of the O's?   Houston's commitment to winning cannot be denied.  Losing a draft choice will not take their on-field success.   There was some suggestion Houston incorporated a cyber-espionage component.  The St. Louis hacking of Houston was described by someone as a defensive maneuver to see what Houston's cyber warfare had uncovered.  

[Can_of_corn]

6 minutes ago, Dreadnought said:

Do the members here think Elias's pedigree of coming from an organization willing to do anything necessary to win bodes well for the future of the O's?   Houston's commitment to winning cannot be denied.  Losing a draft choice will not take their on-field success.   There was some suggestion Houston incorporated a cyber-espionage component.  The St. Louis hacking of Houston was described by someone as a defensive maneuver to see what Houston's cyber warfare had uncovered.  

Someone?  Who?

[Dreadnought]

"After Jeff Luhnow left the St. Louis Cardinals to become the Astros’ general manager in December 2011, a Cardinals employee, Chris Correa, illegally hacked into the Astros’ database. Correa, who received a prison sentence and a lifetime ban from baseball, has claimed he was only acting defensively, to see if the Astros had stolen from the Cardinals."

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/14/sports/baseball/astros-cheating-stealing-signs.html

Edited November 18, 2019 by Dreadnought

[Can_of_corn]

24 minutes ago, Dreadnought said:

"After Jeff Luhnow left the St. Louis Cardinals to become the Astros’ general manager in December 2011, a Cardinals employee, Chris Correa, illegally hacked into the Astros’ database. Correa, who received a prison sentence and a lifetime ban from baseball, has claimed he was only acting defensively, to see if the Astros had stolen from the Cardinals."

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/14/sports/baseball/astros-cheating-stealing-signs.html

So the felon who pleaded guilty.  Yea, I recall he said that, I also recall that the judge wasn't having any of it.  If it was just to check why did he keep going back in?

 

[Frobby]

On 11/17/2019 at 9:25 AM, weams said:

 

I hate to ruin this guy’s narrative, but Kevin Goldstein is hardly one of the “young finance and Wall Street bros.”    I don’t know exactly how old he is, but he’s got a 21-year old son, and so far as I know, he has no background on Wall Street or finance, having previously been a long-standing scouting guru for Baseball Prospectus.   And, he didn’t “immediately” send out his email after getting hired; he’d been working for the Astros for 5 years at that point.   

[atomic]

On 11/17/2019 at 8:38 PM, Dreadnought said:

Do the members here think Elias's pedigree of coming from an organization willing to do anything necessary to win bodes well for the future of the O's?   Houston's commitment to winning cannot be denied.  Losing a draft choice will not take their on-field success.   There was some suggestion Houston incorporated a cyber-espionage component.  The St. Louis hacking of Houston was described by someone as a defensive maneuver to see what Houston's cyber warfare had uncovered.  

His comments on the situation were encouraging. 

[weams]

https://nypost.com/2019/11/19/rob-manfred-wants-us-to-think-astros-were-alone-and-hes-ready-to-hammer-them/

[atomic]

2 hours ago, weams said:

https://nypost.com/2019/11/19/rob-manfred-wants-us-to-think-astros-were-alone-and-hes-ready-to-hammer-them/

GM and manager should get one year suspension.  

[Beetlejuice]

4 hours ago, atomic said:

GM and manager should get one year suspension.  

You can’t be serious.  One whole year?  The GM should get an indefinite ban.  Indefinite as opposed to lifetime. Let him grovel for 5 years and then MLB can reconsider.  Hinch might deserve a full year.
 

And declare everyone in their farm system eligible to be re-drafted and move elsewhere if they want, allowing them to keep their “time served” status so their new team can’t give them the rookie treatment.

The most difficult punishment is going to be how to handle the active players who were in on this.  I’d do a suspension of 81 games, the the MLBPA would shit bricks. Then there is the cases of Cora and Beltran.

Edited November 20, 2019 by Beetlejuice

[Can_of_corn]

2 hours ago, Beetlejuice said:

You can’t be serious.  One whole year?  The GM should get an indefinite ban.  Indefinite as opposed to lifetime. Let him grovel for 5 years and then MLB can reconsider.  Hinch might deserve a full year.
 

And declare everyone in their farm system eligible to be re-drafted and move elsewhere if they want, allowing them to keep their “time served” status so their new team can’t give them the rookie treatment.

The most difficult punishment is going to be how to handle the active players who were in on this.  I’d do a suspension of 81 games, the the MLBPA would shit bricks. Then there is the cases of Cora and Beltran.

That is insane.

[Luke-OH]

I still don't get the outrage. 

[Frobby]

“Ben Lindbergh and Sam Miller talk to Paul Dickson, author of The Hidden Language of Baseball: How Signs and Sign-Stealing Have Influenced the Course of Our National Pastime, about, well, what the book’s subtitle says, including the origins of sign-sending, the earliest allegations of sign-stealing, historical precedents for the Astros’ sign-stealing scheme, the effects of sign-stealing, why so many players say they prefer not to know which pitch is coming, the frequent disagreements surrounding which types of sign-stealing are acceptable, the reluctance of the league to get involved in stopping or punishing sign-stealing, the future of policing sign-stealing, and more.”
 

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/effectively-wild-episode-1459-the-history-of-sign-stealing/