I miss baseball.

[eddie83]

2 hours ago, scOtt said:

Mighta been Kubek. Didn't sound like Costas at all. I thought it was White Sox announcers (pre-the annoying guy.)

The games in Chicago around here Chuck and Brooks had the call. Apparently those tapes didn’t last. MASN is using the Chicago feed. Don Drysdale and Early Wynn.  

In those days the local announcing teams could be on the air. Not sure if the first 2 games around here Chuck and Brooks were on the call or not. I don’t think they were. Those games MASN had Costas and Kubek. 

[eddie83]

3 minutes ago, DrungoHazewood said:

I know I watched that game on TV, I was 12.  That's the Tito Landrum game.

Landrum batted just 82 times in an Oriole uniform.  10 of those in the '83 ALCS.  In the Series he appeared three times as a PR/defensive replacement and didn't bat.  Wasn't brought back for '84, returned to St. Louis where he was pretty bad, but did have a 3-for-24 cameo on that awful team in '88.

Was acquired for Floyd Rayford in late August of '83, as the delayed PTBNL in a June deal.  They basically did a loan swap, in '84 Rayford was back with the O's and Landrum with the Cards.

He probably holds the Orioles record for Fame per PA.

Pretty sure in the John Eisenberg Orioles book he said Roland Hemond was upset about that deal. Thought it wasn’t on the up and up. Of course then he was Chicago GM. 

[eddie83]

Years ago MASN would air Orioles highlights during commercial breaks. They had the Landrum HR with Chuck and Brooks, so at least that part of the tape lasted.  

[DrungoHazewood]

23 minutes ago, eddie83 said:

Pretty sure in the John Eisenberg Orioles book he said Roland Hemond was upset about that deal. Thought it wasn’t on the up and up. Of course then he was Chicago GM. 

Landrum was a 28-year-old bit player, Rayford was in his 4th year in AAA.  They were like the Joey Rickard and Pedro Severino of the day.  Maybe not even that.

[eddie83]

16 minutes ago, DrungoHazewood said:

Landrum was a 28-year-old bit player, Rayford was in his 4th year in AAA.  They were like the Joey Rickard and Pedro Severino of the day.  Maybe not even that.

I know but years later he was all worked up about it. I’ll try to look for it when I get home. 

[OsFanSinceThe80s]

24 minutes ago, DrungoHazewood said:

Landrum was a 28-year-old bit player, Rayford was in his 4th year in AAA.  They were like the Joey Rickard and Pedro Severino of the day.  Maybe not even that.

Landrum had 6 at bats with the Cardinals before getting traded in 1983 to the Orioles on August 31st.  Landrum was the "player to be named later" from a trade made initially on June 14th in 1983, when the Cardinals decided they wanted Floyd Rayford. 

[DrungoHazewood]

1 hour ago, OsFanSinceThe80s said:

Landrum had 6 at bats with the Cardinals before getting traded in 1983 to the Orioles on August 31st.  Landrum was the "player to be named later" from a trade made initially on June 14th in 1983, when the Cardinals decided they wanted Floyd Rayford. 

Yep. Barely qualified as a deadline deal.  It was picking up a 5th outfielder for a minor league utility guy.  Funny how guys like that get elevated in the mind of a 12-year-old.  I still look back very fondly on Sugar Bear.  He had a career line of .244/.283/.397, which is basically Felix Pie or Chance Sisco. 

[eddie83]

Ok. Here is quote from Hemond. Edited some.

From 33rd Street to Camden Yards by John Eisenberg.

“I had tried to trade for Landrum earlier that year. Said no, couldn’t trade him had a deal with Baltimore. He was frozen at AAA and so was Rayford. Back then if a player was outrighted before the season you could not bring them back. So Baltimore and St Louis traded one player for another and I wasn’t able to get Landrum. Then, over the winter,  they traded ‘em both back. I was upset about that and let a few people know. It still gets under my crawl.” 

I had no idea about the outright rules back then. 

[DrungoHazewood]

39 minutes ago, eddie83 said:

Ok. Here is quote from Hemond. Edited some.

From 33rd Street to Camden Yards by John Eisenberg.

“I had tried to trade for Landrum earlier that year. Said no, couldn’t trade him had a deal with Baltimore. He was frozen at AAA and so was Rayford. Back then if a player was outrighted before the season you could not bring them back. So Baltimore and St Louis traded one player for another and I wasn’t able to get Landrum. Then, over the winter,  they traded ‘em both back. I was upset about that and let a few people know. It still gets under my crawl.” 

I had no idea about the outright rules back then. 

That's interesting.  Yea, there used to be some more restrictive rules on transactions.  For a very long time a guy had to pass through waivers before you could trade him to the other league.  Just pick some random players from the 1930s or 40s on baseball reference, and most of them just played in the AL or the NL because of that.  Bobo Newsom was traded almost every year, sometimes multiple times and played 20 years, but spent all but a couple seasons in the AL.  Sometimes when a guy was 36 and almost done he'd switch leagues because he'd go through waivers.

[eddie83]

5 minutes ago, DrungoHazewood said:

That's interesting.  Yea, there used to be some more restrictive rules on transactions.  For a very long time a guy had to pass through waivers before you could trade him to the other league.  Just pick some random players from the 1930s or 40s on baseball reference, and most of them just played in the AL or the NL because of that.  Bobo Newsom was traded almost every year, sometimes multiple times and played 20 years, but spent all but a couple seasons in the AL.  Sometimes when a guy was 36 and almost done he'd switch leagues because he'd go through waivers.

Thing is Landrum played a little for Cards that year. 

So back then once you go down you can’t come back up? Unless Hemond forgot all the details. 

[scOtt]

1 hour ago, DrungoHazewood said:

That's interesting.  Yea, there used to be some more restrictive rules on transactions.  For a very long time a guy had to pass through waivers before you could trade him to the other league.  Just pick some random players from the 1930s or 40s on baseball reference, and most of them just played in the AL or the NL because of that.  Bobo Newsom was traded almost every year, sometimes multiple times and played 20 years, but spent all but a couple seasons in the AL.  Sometimes when a guy was 36 and almost done he'd switch leagues because he'd go through waivers.

Revocable waivers? I almost assume...

[DrungoHazewood]

13 hours ago, scOtt said:

Revocable waivers? I almost assume...

Probably?  Not completely sure.