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At one point another poster tried to tell me that technically Irvin counted as a #3 starter.

Funny I say reliever and you read All-star reliever. And yep. Assuming normal rates of injury. I think that's a team that will need to scramble to make the playoffs. It certainly won't be a force that you just write into the playoffs at the start of the season.

I think most of us expect Hall to be a reliever at this point. By us I mean the OH community as a whole. Feel free to start a poll about the topic if you think I'm off base.

You don't read real close do you? Yes, if somehow they BOTH turn into TOR guys. What are the odds of that, do you think? Compared to say the odds of one, or both of them ending up with TJ or TOS or a rotator cuff injury in the next few years?

Didn't say that. Who has been a bigger Grayson supporter here than I have? I said that behind Grayson and Hall, who we have seen already, there doesn't project to be anyone. Even if Grayson ends up who we hope and Hall ends up who we expect that isn't enough. Not to do more than maybe sniff the last wildcard.

Quit stealing my talking points from 2021!

There is no projected impact pitching in the minors that we haven't seen yet. We haven't seen our GM/Owner show that are willing to bring in an impact arm. Unless that changes the trajectory stays pretty much at .500. Every season that goes by is another year of the Adley clock ticking away. As for your question...I wouldn't care, I'd look at the talent on the team.

You consider this effective?

If they don't improve the pitching I think one can doubt they will be more than .500. I think it is very likely they end up with closer to 82 wins than 113. I don't think the two predictions are anywhere near the same level of silly. How is it silly to say a team that was .500 last season and is giving up as many runs as they are scoring will end up around .500 again?

113 wins? You see this team going 106-43 for the rest of the season?

82-80?

Whoo boy let's celebrate 7-6 with a pitching staff that is giving up over five and a half runs a game.

And of course we don't know with any certainly if they would be pitching as poorly if they were with the Orioles. Maybe, probably? Do you think that the reason Elias didn't go after those guys was because he knew they wouldn't be performing well?

I never said middle of a dynastic run. They were unintentionally bad five years ago. They were unintentionally good one year ago. In between they made such a mockery of competing that they triggered changes to the CBA. They've had long enough to collect pieces and rake in profits. This season was billed as a time to "Lift Off" and they should have been making more than a half effort to compete.

They lost 110 games two years ago because they were trying to lose games two years ago. They also lost 110 games five years ago, which, to me, is the more important date.

Do they? Really? Is it?

McKenna.

I think the better argument is who you got, Witt or Henderson?

I've always been a proponent of keeping a poorly producing pitcher because he gets poor results with his left hand instead of his right.

If Marge Schott was still alive...

Who is trading decent arms in April?

The run hard to first base thing...doesn't bother me much. If you hit a routine ground ball to short I'm not ripping you a new one for not going 100% to first if it isn't a high leverage situation. Now if it's the eight inning and the team is down a run...yea you need to go hard.

Felix Pie? Jeff Stone? Nolan Reimold?

You'd have to get the other top picks to accept whatever the lower offer was. So you could sign say a bunch of college seniors for 20K a pop. If a player from the draft pool rounds doesn't sign, that money is removed from the pool. There is also nothing stopping a team from picking him and trying to get him to change his mind. If he doesn't sign they get a pick in next year's draft. Not ideal but it does make it less risky.

But what about Gunnar?