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What do you think BRob will earn next year? (Not necessarily from the Orioles)


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What do you think BRob will earn next year (not necessarily from the O's)?  

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  1. 1. What do you think BRob will earn next year (not necessarily from the O's)?

    • Only a minor league deal (or he'll retire)
    • Less than $1 mm
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    • $1 -1.99 mm
    • $2 - 3.99 mm
    • $4 - 5.49 mm
    • $5.50 mm or more


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Odd as it may be. Out of Flaherty, Casilla and Roberts, Roberts had the highest OPS last year. And I think Schoop could use some more time at AAA.

I agree that Schoop could use some more time at AAA. I have two major concerns about BRob. He's demonstrated that he can re-introduce a concussion by playing hard and there is no predictable recovery time for this type of injury for him. I don't want to see that happen to him again, but ultimately that's not my call. If we're going to assume that he's worth some kind of contract (which is implicit in this thread) then what are the consequences to the Orioles? Worst case scenario to me is that he stays healthy but underperforms which would be a reasonable outcome for someone of his age and recent medical history. His stature with the team makes benching him under those circumstances considerably more difficult than if it were someone from the outside on a one-year contract (to accommodate Schoop in the second half for example). The Orioles have the opportunity to sidestep that problem and they should do so IMO.

To me, recognizing that BRob outperformed Flaherty and Casilla in OPS is damning with faint praise more than anything else. I hope that DD's imagination is capable of entertaining the possibility that the 2014 2B universe could extend beyond those three.

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Crippled?

BRob totaled 809 plate appearances from 2010-2013. During that time he consumed over 10% of the total team payroll. For most of that time he was injured and the nature of his injury made any sort of proactive planning for the future at 2B impossible. For much of the time nobody knew whether he would be ready to play in three weeks, three months or sometime next year.

Do we go to PA and say "let's write off 10 million this year and preemptively bury fan favorite Brian Roberts career"? or do we cross our fingers and slap a bandaid on 2B and see if we can catch a break and incidentally recoup some of that $40 million contract?

IMO the size of his contract coupled with the nature of his injury and the evident budget cap from ownership was more than a little crippling.

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I agree that Schoop could use some more time at AAA. I have two major concerns about BRob. He's demonstrated that he can re-introduce a concussion by playing hard and there is no predictable recovery time for this type of injury for him. I don't want to see that happen to him again, but ultimately that's not my call. If we're going to assume that he's worth some kind of contract (which is implicit in this thread) then what are the consequences to the Orioles? Worst case scenario to me is that he stays healthy but underperforms which would be a reasonable outcome for someone of his age and recent medical history. His stature with the team makes benching him under those circumstances considerably more difficult than if it were someone from the outside on a one-year contract (to accommodate Schoop in the second half for example). The Orioles have the opportunity to sidestep that problem and they should do so IMO.

To me, recognizing that BRob outperformed Flaherty and Casilla in OPS is damning with faint praise more than anything else. I hope that DD's imagination is capable of entertaining the possibility that the 2014 2B universe could extend beyond those three.

The O's need several starting position players to be paid at low salary so as to afford the higher price contracts of some of the veteran players. Machado is a cheap one in 2014. Enjoy while we can. 2B is the other. Flaherty and later in the year Schoop will be around 500K. I think BRob will be a backup for between 1 and 2M if he wants to return. I don't think the O's will be spending much money at 2B.

If BRob returns there needs to an understand before he signs that the only way he starts over Flaherty or Schoop is if he outperforms them. He doesn't get starts on reputation.

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The O's need several starting position players to be paid at low salary so as to afford the higher price contracts of some of the veteran players. Machado is a cheap one in 2014. Enjoy while we can. 2B is the other. Flaherty and later in the year Schoop will be around 500K. I think BRob will be a backup for between 1 and 2M if he wants to return. I don't think the O's will be spending much money at 2B.

If BRob returns there needs to an understand before he signs that the only way he starts over Flaherty or Schoop is if he outperforms them. He does get starts on reputation.

Good luck getting Buck to agree to that.

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That's kinda sexist isn't it? What if he needs a deck built and the best contractor is a woman? Does Buck end up with an inferior deck?

I was talking baseball, but you are right. My daughters would be upset. Do we know that Buck is not gender specific?

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I think Buck has already agreed to that with DD and will be equally involved with the discussions with BRob. Buck is capable of passing the baton. He understands the progression to younger players.

Buck understands that Vets get respected.

After the way Buck played an obviously not ready Roberts in 2012 I don't think you assertion is accurate.

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Listen to this. Buck understands. Buck talks about BRob around the 12.30 mark.

http://cbsbaltimore.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/buck-showalter-10-02-13.mp3

No offense to Buck but as Tony says actions speak louder then words. 2012 showed me that given a chance Buck will play an inferior Roberts over more qualified candidates.

Who wants an utility fielder who can only play second base anyway? Didn't the role of designated pinch hitter go by the wayside decades ago, lost in the expansion of the bullpen?

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No offense to Buck but as Tony says actions speak louder then words. 2012 showed me that given a chance Buck will play an inferior Roberts over more qualified candidates.

Who wants an utility fielder who can only play second base anyway? Didn't the role of designated pinch hitter go by the wayside decades ago, lost in the expansion of the bullpen?

When Flaherty can play just about anywhere and plays all four infield positons, it doesn't matter that BRob only plays 2B. When Flaherty has to move to another position BRob plays 2B.

Believe Buck, don't believe Buck. It's up to you. But you have the information. BRob's 4 year contract expired. This off season expectations with BRob's role (if there is one) will be reset. I believe that.

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When Flaherty can play just about anywhere and plays all four infield positons, it doesn't matter that BRob only plays 2B. When Flaherty has to move to another position BRob plays 2B.

Believe Buck, don't believe Buck. It's up to you. But you have the information. BRob's 4 year contract expired. This off season expectations with BRob's role (if there is one) will be reset. I believe that.

Would you use a roster spot for someone who:

1) Plays an inferior second base to the starter

2) Can't play anywhere else on the diamond

3) Doesn't have the offensive profile to DH

4) Is a questionable pinch runner at this stage in his career

5) Has a very nice approach to hitting and preformed extraordinarily well in clutch situations last season?

If this was the late 70's and there was roster space for a pinch hitter I would be fine with going forward with Roberts in that capacity.

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Would you use a roster spot for someone who:

1) Plays an inferior second base to the starter

2) Can't play anywhere else on the diamond

3) Doesn't have the offensive profile to DH

4) Is a questionable pinch runner at this stage in his career

5) Has a very nice approach to hitting and preformed extraordinarily well in clutch situations last season?

If this was the late 70's and there was roster space for a pinch hitter I would be fine with going forward with Roberts in that capacity.

Your #5 is very important. It will not get BRob a starting role but it makes him very useful at the right price. Also, I'd much rather have BRob on base then Wieters. He can pinch run at times.

And if Flaherty is hitting under .200 while Schoop is still at AAA, BRob hitting .250 may look attractive. It all depends on how it plays out.

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