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Mighty telling that Rick Adair, Mark Connor...back to back years of coaches leaving mid-season. Our starting pitching is lackluster. All of our pitching prospects fail when they come up here time and time again. Buck's obsession over TTL isn't helping, but neither is continuity when it comes to overall vision on the staff. Aside from Chris Tillman, who isn't a product of this system originally, what pitching prospect has had any kind of success at the major league level over an extended period of time as a starter? Not Matusz, not Arrieta, not Britton, not Johnson, not Bergesen...Gausman was rushed and wasn't effectively in any way, shape, or form as a starter...and Dylan Bundy is hurt.

But then you look at organizations like the Cardinals that continue to churn out starting pitcher after starting pitcher. I'm envious.

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Good suggestions and good candidates all around: Peterson, Griffin, Duncan, Neil Allen.

I'd take any of those four at this point. I agree that there seems to be some rift between Buck and Rick, and we all know how that likely ends.

In any case, we should wind up with someone pretty good, and I think I'd prefer any of those 4 to either of the pitching coaches that Buck has had in place the last 2 years.

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Well two managers have been fired, leaving their pitching coaches available. Ironically they are:

Chris Bosio, Cubs, who once replaced Bill Castro with the Brewers; and

Carl Willis, Mariners, who replaced Rick Adair as the pitching coach of the Mariners.

Didn't Bosio pitch for the Orioles?

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Mighty telling that Rick Adair, Mark Connor...back to back years of coaches leaving mid-season. Our starting pitching is lackluster. All of our pitching prospects fail when they come up here time and time again. Buck's obsession over TTL isn't helping, but neither is continuity when it comes to overall vision on the staff. Aside from Chris Tillman, who isn't a product of this system originally, what pitching prospect has had any kind of success at the major league level over an extended period of time as a starter? Not Matusz, not Arrieta, not Britton, not Johnson, not Bergesen...Gausman was rushed and wasn't effectively in any way, shape, or form as a starter...and Dylan Bundy is hurt.

But then you look at organizations like the Cardinals that continue to churn out starting pitcher after starting pitcher. I'm envious.

Sorry to single you out Puck but this whole line of thinking has to STOP! Someone earlier posted that Rick's dad was dying. That's not entirely true. Rick Adair's dad died. Rick might be in a state right now. As my own old man is still not doing as well as we'd like... I can see where that would frazzle you.

We should all just BackTFO on the pot shots at Rick Adair. I'm not convinced he was a good or bad PC at this point. But saying he "deserted the team" is a new low for this board.

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Good suggestions and good candidates all around: Peterson, Griffin, Duncan, Neil Allen.

I'd take any of those four at this point. I agree that there seems to be some rift between Buck and Rick, and we all know how that likely ends.

In any case, we should wind up with someone pretty good, and I think I'd prefer any of those 4 to either of the pitching coaches that Buck has had in place the last 2 years.

I don't see this hate between Buck and Peterson. Never have. Not a scotsch.

And Rick is a seasoned ML PC and it could be a way to keep him and his brain in this organization.

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If there was any way we could get Pirates PC Ray Searage, I would do it.

I was at the first game of the NLDS at PNC park and the crowd applauded for Searage like Camden Yards did for Buck in 2012.

No hard feelings towards Rick Adair. In the end, baseball is just a game.

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Sorry to single you out Puck but this whole line of thinking has to STOP! Someone earlier posted that Rick's dad was dying. That's not entirely true. Rick Adair's dad died. Rick might be in a state right now. As my own old man is still not doing as well as we'd like... I can see where that would frazzle you.

We should all just BackTFO on the pot shots at Rick Adair. I'm not convinced he was a good or bad PC at this point. But saying he "deserted the team" is a new low for this board.

I have to agree with you. I am in my 50's and my Pops just passed away this August from lung cancer. We knew it was coming but it still shook my world right to the foundation. It was weeks before I could function right. Rick has my sympathies. If he was as close with his dad as I was that is something very tough to deal with.

The guy essentially walked out on this team. Good riddance I say

He did not walk out on his team. He was with his family during a family crisis. That is how it should be. Yes family comes first. EVEN BEFORE BASEBALL! That is how it should be. Least that is how I was raised. Respect to Rick for having his priorities in the right order.

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I don't see this hate between Buck and Peterson. Never have. Not a scotsch.

And Rick is a seasoned ML PC and it could be a way to keep him and his brain in this organization.

I would be very happy with Rick Peterson as our pitching coach. Obviously I don't have any personal information on any rift. I think it was fairly obvious from numerous articles over the past couple of years, however, that Buck was crediting his pitching coaches for improvements in pitchers when they happened, and specifically not crediting Rick, even for pitchers who were sent down, went through his biogenisis evaluation, and implemented changes to their deliveries. Buck also gives Griffin a lot of credit. I think Buck's attitude is quite apparent by what hasn't been said - any credit for Rick. Rick's contributions and appreciation have been voiced by Duquette, leading some to speculate (I'm sure there were threads on here about this topic) that there was friction between Dan and Buck over Rick.

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I would be very happy with Rick Peterson as our pitching coach. Obviously I don't have any personal information on any rift. I think it was fairly obvious from numerous articles over the past couple of years, however, that Buck was crediting his pitching coaches for improvements in pitchers when they happened, and specifically not crediting Rick, even for pitchers who were sent down, went through his biogenisis evaluation, and implemented changes to their deliveries. Buck also gives Griffin a lot of credit. I think Buck's attitude is quite apparent by what hasn't been said - any credit for Rick. Rick's contributions and appreciation have been voiced by Duquette, leading some to speculate (I'm sure there were threads on here about this topic) that there was friction between Dan and Buck over Rick.

If Dan Duquette had wanted Rick Peterson for pitching coach, he would have been. I think the speculation that Dan and Buck have any riff is way overblown. Is their an occasional difference of opinion? I'm positive.

I have had the opportunity to see Rick Peterson in action, to speak with him, and to talk to some of the pitchers he has worked with. I think Dan Duquette needed some of the things that Rick has pioneered in the organization. I don't think it was ever the idea to use him as our pitching coach. I could be wrong. I don't think so. The whole addition of the Bloomberg analytics is something we will thank Rick for long after he is gone.

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I have the idea that BS has a greater concern for the AAA pitching coach than the ML coach. Probably because Buck has day to day control of the ML pitcher with the ML coach, while the AAA coach is fairly autonomous. Therefore, Buck and the AAA coach have to be on the same page.

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