Hardy confused from lack of extension talk

[25 Nuggets]

O's fans confused by lack of power from Hardy. I'm not sure what kind of extension Hardy thinks a singles hitting SS should get. I would be hard pressed to pay him over $10 mill/year.

I don't know about you but I'm seeing Hardy hit home runs again. I don't know what happened during the first half of the year but I see no reason why he can't finish with, say, a dozen by the end of the regular season.

[brianod]

I'd overpay him for two years, limit the liability and see what we have. Something like 2 yrs 24 million with a club option.

[Il BuonO]

O's fans confused by lack of power from Hardy. I'm not sure what kind of extension Hardy thinks a singles hitting SS should get. I would be hard pressed to pay him over $10 mill/year.

Maybe you missed the part about JJ leading the team in doubles. He has 25.

[brianod]

How is that overpaying him? That would be a very favorable team contract.

He's on pace for 10 hrs and 55 rbis. And he's getting older. He has a history of being injury prone. I think that's fair. You want to bump it up to 2 yrs, 26 million, fine. But, you can like your guys too much.

[Il BuonO]

How is that overpaying him? That would be a very favorable team contract.

Yep, that's a bargain if you compare it to what Peralta got with the Cards. I'm sure JJ is looking to get somewhere in that range. 4/$52 mil

[CA-ORIOLE]

Yep, that's a bargain if you compare it to what Peralta got with the Cards. I'm sure JJ is looking to get somewhere in that range. 4/$52 mil

I like Hardy well enough, but I'm not too comfortable with some of his reported injury issues, past and present (back etc) and his durability going forward for that kind of money/years. We're apparently expecting the second baseman to run across the field from deep in the hole so he doesn't have to make a routine throw to first. Put me in the 2/24 group. Maybe a QO for one more year.

[Crabby9]

I don't know about you but I'm seeing Hardy hit home runs again. I don't know what happened during the first half of the year but I see no reason why he can't finish with, say, a dozen by the end of the regular season.

True. And what kind of barometer is HR's for a SS? I'm not following.

[Ohfan67]

I suspect DD will find a cheaper, shorter-term option.

[Frobby]

I suspect DD will find a cheaper, shorter-term option.

Yeah, maybe Cesar Izturis is available.

[Redskins Rick]

I keep reading that it's simple, just find a good glove SS or 3rd that can hit a little and we have a cheap replacement for JJ.

Problem with that.

#1. How many 3rd have we audition before Manny arrived, too many to count and list.

#2. Had a shorter spell at SS, but still a dry spell before him too.

#3. Flash is an above average glove, but can't hit, at least not enough for me to comfortably send him out there for 145 games.

#4. Lots of 4A players around, but, most WS contenders have a solid SS, and not a 4A dude.

With that said, I don't see DD making too many critical mistakes in building this team, and he has a plan, and I guess we shall see what happens.

[Frobby]

Highest paid shortstops, by average annual value:

Rodriguez, $25.2 mm (2001-10)

Jeter, $18.9 mm (2001-10)

Reyes, $17.7 mm (2012-17)

Jeter, $17 mm (2011-13)

Tulowitzki, $15.8 mm (2011-20)(included two arb years; non-arb average $17.5 mm)

Andrus, $15 mm (2015-22)

Peralta, $13.25 mm (2014-17)

Tejada, $12 mm (2004-09)

Jeter, $12 mm (2014)

Ramirez, $11.7 mm (2009-14)(included three arb years;non-arb averaged $15.5 mm)

Rollins $11 mm (2012-14)

Furcal $10 mm (2009-11)

On the one hand, I don't see Hardy being in the class of ARod, Jeter (in his prime), Reyes, Tulowitzki or Ramirez. He's older than Andrus, but then, nobody's talking about an 8-year deal for JJ, so there is less risk than with Andrus. I think most of us think Hardy is close to Peralta in terms of overall value. I'd say Hardy's market value is 4/$50 mm, plus or minus $4 mm. Would he sign with us for 3 years? Maybe, but only as top dollar, I suspect.

[Just Regular]

We shouldn't let the glaring lack of HR's weigh too heavily in our assessment of Hardy as a hitter. Offense is down all around baseball, and Hardy's raw numbers simply fit in with that.

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=ss&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=y&type=8&season=2014&month=0&season1=2014&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&sort=16,d

Forget the defense - by wOBA he's now 9th in MLB this year. That said Peralta still has a 3.9 to 2.8 rWAR lead right now, so when the conversation of better than, less than, equal to Peralta occurs, the Orioles on the less than side will have an argument. And like Morales and Drew, the QO will work against him. If he's the pioneer who takes it, it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world.

[Il BuonO]

I like Hardy well enough, but I'm not too comfortable with some of his reported injury issues, past and present (back etc) and his durability going forward for that kind of money/years. We're apparently expecting the second baseman to run across the field from deep in the hole so he doesn't have to make a routine throw to first. Put me in the 2/24 group. Maybe a QO for one more year.

I put up Peralta's contract as a comp for what JJ is looking to get. I in no way think we'll offer him that, nor do I think we should for the same reasons you state. Even though Peralta is slightly older he isn't the injury risk JJ is to date. Back injuries notoriously don't get better with time.

Peralta has performed will this year defensively but JJ usually had him beat there and I'm willing to bet JJ bounces back nicely next year, but four years just makes me nervous. I do think he's worth at least as much as Jeter though. I'd rather overpay slightly for a couple and then say our good byes. Maybe 2/$30 with QO in the third.

[Frobby]

He's on pace for 10 hrs and 55 rbis. And he's getting older. He has a history of being injury prone. I think that's fair.

History of being injury prone? He had some injuries over the years, but I think his overall record is pretty decent. He's had one DL trip in nearly four years as an Oriole, and has missed 9 games this year.

[Frobby]

It would be insane to let Hardy get out of town. There, I said it. The guy is so full of win.