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Our worst contract for their worst contract. They need pitching. We have holes in 2016 at OF, 1B, and DH. Hanley makes about $10M more per year. Maybe Hanley comes in with a bad reputation but puts up a year like Nelson Cruz under Buck's guidance and surrounded by guys like AJ and Schoop.

I may be biased from a small sample, but when we saw him earlier this year he was mashing the ball, and I was impressed that he played through pain in the June 9 series after fouling the ball off his leg.

I just came across this article through MLBTR suggesting that Boston's DD is under massive pressure to get rid of Hanley.

Seems like the only way to get rid of Ubaldo's contract would be something of this nature. Thoughts?

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The only way even a poor shortstop is that bad in left field is if he was completely unwilling to put any effort into the endeavor.

I would prefer not to have someone with that type of work ethic on the team.

I also don't think the O's have enough starting pitching depth to let Ubaldo go, even if he is more of a 4 then a 2.

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I doubt they'd do that, it'd probably take a lot more to get Hanley. Considering we'd be sending an average #3 pitcher owed tons of money for a very good player.

But he isn't a very good player this year. He's a train wreck.

717 OPS playing at Fenway and a total mess on defense.

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No thanks.

I will keep the underperformer (Ubaldo) who did not whine and moan when his poor performance found him riding the bench. Instead he worked hard to improve and he has to some degree. Ramirez is the exact opposite of that.

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Our worst contract for their worst contract. They need pitching. We have holes in 2016 at OF, 1B, and DH. Hanley makes about $10M more per year. Maybe Hanley comes in with a bad reputation but puts up a year like Nelson Cruz under Buck's guidance and surrounded by guys like AJ and Schoop.

I may be biased from a small sample, but when we saw him earlier this year he was mashing the ball, and I was impressed that he played through pain in the June 9 series after fouling the ball off his leg.

I just came across this article through MLBTR suggesting that Boston's DD is under massive pressure to get rid of Hanley.

Seems like the only way to get rid of Ubaldo's contract would be something of this nature. Thoughts?

No thanks. Rather keep Jimenez.

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No thanks.

I will keep the underperformer (Ubaldo) who did not whine and moan when his poor performance found him riding the bench. Instead he worked hard to improve and he has to some degree. Ramirez is the exact opposite of that.

:agree: With some help, I believe that Ubaldo will make it back to the form he showed during the first part of the season, and recently during his start against the Angels. I'm not ready to give up on Ubaldo quite yet.
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If we can trade Ubaldo and not take significant money back, then I go for one of the mid tier FA's for 15M or less per year. Kazmir, Iwakuma, Leake.

Probably look at one of those types to replace Chen anyway. Suppose we have Gausman, Tillman, Gonzalez, and FA pitcher. I'll have to do some rearch but I'd prefer to go with Tyler Wilson, Mike Wright, a cheap veteran on a one year contract, or even a AAAA guy over Ubaldo.

I'd check into the Tim Hudson, Bartolo Colon types on a one year contract.

Isn't Hudson retiring?

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Our worst contract for their worst contract. They need pitching. We have holes in 2016 at OF, 1B, and DH. Hanley makes about $10M more per year. Maybe Hanley comes in with a bad reputation but puts up a year like Nelson Cruz under Buck's guidance and surrounded by guys like AJ and Schoop.

I may be biased from a small sample, but when we saw him earlier this year he was mashing the ball, and I was impressed that he played through pain in the June 9 series after fouling the ball off his leg.

I just came across this article through MLBTR suggesting that Boston's DD is under massive pressure to get rid of Hanley.

Seems like the only way to get rid of Ubaldo's contract would be something of this nature. Thoughts?

Ubaldo's contract does not have near the negative value that Hanley's does. Ubaldo is valuable compared to Hanley.

And in case you didnt notice, we also have holes in SP and would be making an even bigger hole.

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Our worst contract for their worst contract. They need pitching. We have holes in 2016 at OF, 1B, and DH. Hanley makes about $10M more per year. Maybe Hanley comes in with a bad reputation but puts up a year like Nelson Cruz under Buck's guidance and surrounded by guys like AJ and Schoop.

I may be biased from a small sample, but when we saw him earlier this year he was mashing the ball, and I was impressed that he played through pain in the June 9 series after fouling the ball off his leg.

I just came across this article through MLBTR suggesting that Boston's DD is under massive pressure to get rid of Hanley.

Seems like the only way to get rid of Ubaldo's contract would be something of this nature. Thoughts?

We're stuck with DA U no way the O's have enough starting pitching without him.

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Ubaldo's contract does not have near the negative value that Hanley's does. Ubaldo is valuable compared to Hanley.

And in case you didnt notice, we also have holes in SP and would be making an even bigger hole.

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We're stuck with DA U no way the O's have enough starting pitching without him.

Meh. Between Wright, Wilson, Miranda, and Gunkel I think we could find a warm body capable of putting up a 4.26 ERA with our defense.

If Ubaldo's contract is less bad than Hanley's, what could Boston include to make it work for us? Maybe Boston would feel enough pressure to move Hanley that they would include some cash. Maybe a prospect. Maybe it just isn't possible. I am not really advocating this, just trying to think what it would take. It would probably be painful to move him. It will probably be painful to keep him.

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The only way even a poor shortstop is that bad in left field is if he was completely unwilling to put any effort into the endeavor.

I would prefer not to have someone with that type of work ethic on the team.

I also don't think the O's have enough starting pitching depth to let Ubaldo go, even if he is more of a 4 then a 2.

He's a five for most of every season.

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