Jones wants say in offseason, plans to meet with Angelos

[MemorialStadKid]

Mystified how anyone could have a problem with what AJ said.

Yet, you find folks saying "inmates running asylums..." Wow.

If Jones can't get Angelos to catch up with the times, then he should ask for a trade. No reason to be stuck on a middling team owned by a group that isn't willing to put it all in when the time is right. I fear we missed our window this year and in 2014. We should have loaded the gun for a real shot at the WS in 2015, instead we dropped low into the funk of the old days - the only bright spots being Davis (who is on his way out) and a couple of young pitchers (Gausman and Wright) and two fielders (Machado and Schoop). That's all we got right now.

The continued justification for standing pat (or worse, having a roundabout argument based on stats that suggest a lack of movement) is tired and dead. I'm glad other OH members are starting to see through that veil of nonsense.

MSK

[WEAVERMAN]

Hopefully this leads to an even more intense focus on getting the very best that the Rule 5 and Minor League free agency has to offer.

Methinks that Jones will be less frustrated when he steps back and remembers that we will have Jason Garcia in Frederick next year.

That is funny.

[HoustonOrioleFan]

I've got no problems with AJ here either....he just wants to win...

Slightly off-topic, but assuming AJ has another 2-3 years of his usual consistent production, solid defense and this leadership quality that's emerged over the last 2-3 years - could he actually enter the O's Mount Olympus? We are talking Brooksie, Frank, Jim, Earl, Eddie and Cal echelon here....I think he's approaching the vey next awesome tier of Boog, McNally and Blair....right now he's already (to me) ahead of the very solid group of Flanny, McGregor, Mussina, Nicky, B-Rob and Mora...boy, that was fun...! Invoking some great names here :-)

[osfan83]

Mystified how anyone could have a problem with what AJ said.

Yet, you find folks saying "inmates running asylums..." Wow.

If Jones can't get Angelos to catch up with the times, then he should ask for a trade. No reason to be stuck on a middling team owned by a group that isn't willing to put it all in when the time is right. I fear we missed our window this year and in 2014. We should have loaded the gun for a real shot at the WS in 2015, instead we dropped low into the funk of the old days - the only bright spots being Davis (who is on his way out) and a couple of young pitchers (Gausman and Wright) and two fielders (Machado and Schoop). That's all we got right now.

The continued justification for standing pat (or worse, having a roundabout argument based on stats that suggest a lack of movement) is tired and dead. I'm glad other OH members are starting to see through that veil of nonsense.

MSK

I guess I look at this like I would a cashier at Wal-Mart calling the Arkansas Headquarters with suggestions on how to better run the store. Should the cashier be heard? Sure, his direct manager should take a few minutes and listen, but most likely the cashier has no idea about all of the nuance that goes into setting store policy.

[osfan83]

I've got no problems with AJ here either....he just wants to win...

Slightly off-topic, but assuming AJ has another 2-3 years of his usual consistent production, solid defense and this leadership quality that's emerged over the last 2-3 years - could he actually enter the O's Mount Olympus? We are talking Brooksie, Frank, Jim, Earl, Eddie and Cal echelon here....I think he's approaching the vey next awesome tier of Boog, McNally and Blair....right now he's already (to me) ahead of the very solid group of Flanny, McGregor, Mussina, Nicky, B-Rob and Mora...boy, that was fun...! Invoking some great names here :-)

The O's Mount Olympus should be reserved for Hall of Famers....and I don't think Jones is going to make the hall......Machado on the other hand has a shot.

[MemorialStadKid]

I guess I look at this like I would a cashier at Wal-Mart calling the Arkansas Headquarters with suggestions on how to better run the store. Should the cashier be heard? Sure, his direct manager should take a few minutes and listen, but most likely the cashier has no idea about all of the nuance that goes into setting store policy.

Well, let's look at your line of reasoning.

In Wal-Mart, your average cashier/stock clerk has somewhere between 50 - 200 people between them and the CEO/corporate structure.

On the Baltimore Orioles, Adam Jones has only a few walls between him and the owner. There's Buck, DD and the Angelos boys and then Peter himself.

Adam is an employee, sure, but how many stock clerks are considered the "face" of Wal-Mart? How many cashiers are considered the public leader of Wal-Mart (a company that hates unions)?

Adam - as a player on team in a league where the stated goal is to win championships (which then leads to increased revenues because winning is good for business) - has every right to demand a meeting with the owner with the express purpose of making sure his team has a shot at a championship.

If you're on a team that does nothing but tread water or flat out lose, then what's the point of being on that team - unless you enjoy watching the Orioles lose.

MSK

[osfan83]

Well, let's look at your line of reasoning.

In Wal-Mart, your average cashier/stock clerk has somewhere between 50 - 200 people between them and the CEO/corporate structure.

On the Baltimore Orioles, Adam Jones has only a few walls between him and the owner. There's Buck, DD and the Angelos boys and then Peter himself.

Adam is an employee, sure, but how many stock clerks are considered the "face" of Wal-Mart? How many cashiers are considered the public leader of Wal-Mart (a company that hates unions)?

Adam - as a player on team in a league where the stated goal is to win championships (which then leads to increased revenues because winning is good for business) - has every right to demand a meeting with the owner with the express purpose of making sure his team has a shot at a championship.

If you're on a team that does nothing but tread water or flat out lose, then what's the point of being on that team - unless you enjoy watching the Orioles lose.

MSK

Probably not more than 10 between the cashier and CEO...Floor manager, Store manager, District Manager, Director of Store operations, CEO.....maybe missing two or three.

Yes, Adam has more clout, and Adam should be able to talk with management about his concerns....just don't do it publicly, and realize there are many decisions, both long and short term that need to be made.

Who knows, maybe locking up Nick and Nelson last year would cost us an extension with Manny and resigning Davis. If you had to choose would you rather have Markakis/Cruz for 4 years, or lock-up Manny an additional 3 and Sign Davis to 5?.....DD may have had to make that call last year, does Adam think about that?

[24fps]

Well, let's look at your line of reasoning.

In Wal-Mart, your average cashier/stock clerk has somewhere between 50 - 200 people between them and the CEO/corporate structure.

On the Baltimore Orioles, Adam Jones has only a few walls between him and the owner. There's Buck, DD and the Angelos boys and then Peter himself.

Adam is an employee, sure, but how many stock clerks are considered the "face" of Wal-Mart? How many cashiers are considered the public leader of Wal-Mart (a company that hates unions)?

Adam - as a player on team in a league where the stated goal is to win championships (which then leads to increased revenues because winning is good for business) - has every right to demand a meeting with the owner with the express purpose of making sure his team has a shot at a championship.

If you're on a team that does nothing but tread water or flat out lose, then what's the point of being on that team - unless you enjoy watching the Orioles lose.

MSK

PA's business is his law firm comprising 65 attorneys and seven offices. Add in support staff and the number of employees there would be comfortably over 200. He's only managing partner of the Orioles so where do you think his priorities lie?

Anyway it's not about walls, in this case it's about PA's time and his tolerance for any employee, high or low, to publicly lay claim to some of it as if it's their due? AJ has the right to show up to work every day with the expectation of being paid in full for his services. The rest of his rights are spelled out in the CBA and that's where it ends. I don't think there's any clause that stipulates meetings with ownership whenever a player thinks it might be useful.

AJ might be the "face of the franchise" to you and me, but to PA it's Dan Duquette. Because he's paid to be.

[MemorialStadKid]

Probably not more than 10 between the cashier and CEO...Floor manager, Store manager, District Manager, Director of Store operations, CEO.....maybe missing two or three.

Yes, Adam has more clout, and Adam should be able to talk with management about his concerns....just don't do it publicly, and realize there are many decisions, both long and short term that need to be made.

Who knows, maybe locking up Nick and Nelson last year would cost us an extension with Manny and resigning Davis. If you had to choose would you rather have Markakis/Cruz for 4 years, or lock-up Manny an additional 3 and Sign Davis to 5?.....DD may have had to make that call last year, does Adam think about that?

During my retail working years (at Barnes and Noble and GameStop) there were a lot of redundant middle management positions that separated the floor staff from the higher-ups. I've never worked at Wal-Mart, so I assumed they had a similar corporate structure.

In any case, I get what you're saying, but I'm sure Adam is aware of the draft picks, compensatory issues, Rule V and how that relates to free agency. At the same time, as a member of a team who is in it to win, you can't sit by idly while the good players are shed off and replaced by guys who can't possibly replicate the formers contributions. That's just crazy to think he could sit there and be silent.

Should he have gone public? I dunno, maybe? Maybe not?

I will say this, by doing so, he's put the issue out in the forefront where it belongs. For far too long in Baltimore, the media and fanbase have been screaming about improvements and the FO pretended to be deaf, but now, AJ has made sure that the FO knows that people want the Orioles to win. If they don't improve this offseason, somehow I don't believe AJ will "look bad."

I'm not understanding the reaction to AJ saying what needed to be said.

MSK

[Going Underground]

Maybe Jones having actually worked for Angelos may be frustrated about what he sees. He probably also hears things no one on this website knows of. Players talk about the company just like any employee in any company.

He also would not be interviewed and quoted on the MASN website saying this. That is more of we are playing one game at a time. We try to win every game.

[canonfaz]

I'm all for Jones getting PA to open up the check book, but I highly doubt this will change the financial structure that Dan has been given to work with.

I'm all for trying though!!! Get em' Jonesy!

[Larry18]

If you are paying somebody $13M a year to do a job, you probably should spend some time to hear their concerns.

[weams]

If you are paying somebody $13M a year to do a job, you probably should spend some time to hear their concerns.

Or at least let your son talk with him.

[Ruzious]

Mystified how anyone could have a problem with what AJ said.

Yet, you find folks saying "inmates running asylums..." Wow.

If Jones can't get Angelos to catch up with the times, then he should ask for a trade. No reason to be stuck on a middling team owned by a group that isn't willing to put it all in when the time is right. I fear we missed our window this year and in 2014. We should have loaded the gun for a real shot at the WS in 2015, instead we dropped low into the funk of the old days - the only bright spots being Davis (who is on his way out) and a couple of young pitchers (Gausman and Wright) and two fielders (Machado and Schoop). That's all we got right now.

The continued justification for standing pat (or worse, having a roundabout argument based on stats that suggest a lack of movement) is tired and dead. I'm glad other OH members are starting to see through that veil of nonsense.

MSK

And perhaps one reason Jones is doing this is to give himself the option of requesting a trade - if he doesn't get the kind of answers he wants. And I wouldn't have a problem with him doing that. If they're not willing/able to pay what it would take to compete, they should consider trading Adam. He's still just young enough that they could get a nice package for him.

[PaulFolk]

If Jones can't get Angelos to catch up with the times, then he should ask for a trade. No reason to be stuck on a middling team owned by a group that isn't willing to put it all in when the time is right. I fear we missed our window this year and in 2014. We should have loaded the gun for a real shot at the WS in 2015, instead we dropped low into the funk of the old days - the only bright spots being Davis (who is on his way out) and a couple of young pitchers (Gausman and Wright) and two fielders (Machado and Schoop). That's all we got right now.

I'm befuddled as to how you consider Wright (5.45 ERA in 8 games) to be a bright spot, but not Wei-Yin Chen, Adam Jones, Caleb Joseph, Britton, O'Day, Brach, and any number of other players who have actually had good years in 2015. If you think the 5 players you mentioned are "all we got right now," you haven't been paying attention.