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That's precisely what he ISN'T doing. What he said was intellectually dishonest. He's taking a completely unrelated thread that I have no involvement in, and trying to twist things around by basically saying "somebody else had a wrong prediction about something unrelated in an obscure thread, therefore you're wrong for saying that a completely different unrelated prediction could possibly be right."

Intellectually dishonest?

Your argument is every bit like the one that I cited, even though you did not make any posts in it.

The similarities are clear.

In fact, YOUR position is a bit more masochistic than the the one that I cited.

In that thread, the OP was suggesting gloom and doom for the 2015 Orioles' finish to this season.

You, on the other hand, are declaring that in several years, you will have bookmarked this thread in the event that the Orioles suffer numerous consecutive losing seasons (as they did from 1998-2011) so that you can ram it down the throats of the posters here of whom you referred to (in obvious sarcasm, as you quoted the term) as "experts."

I'm going to bookmark this thread so I can bring it back up several years from now if we do go back to the dark ages. All the "experts" on here who are so certain that things will go well in life and being so sure that history won't repeat it self are usually the ones who get caught off guard. I personally don't know if we're headed back to the dark ages (nobody does), but I always have a hope for the best plan for the worst attitude.

You must either dislike the Orioles in the first place, or you have a very perverse way of showing your love for them.

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Or maybe I'm just able to give constructive criticism? Seriously, the statement you just gave was basically the equivalent of how George W. Bush used to insinuate that anyone who disagrees with him must "hate America."

No, it is not basically the equivalent.

There is a difference between declaring that you believe that the team is likely headed for numerous consecutive losing seasons (I don't agree with that, but I see nothing wrong with taking that position in and of itself), and saying that you are going to bookmark a thread so that you can gleefully bring it back and show everyone how wrong they were for being optimistic about their favorite team.

Saying that you think that the team sucks (and that you think that they will continue to suck in coming years) is one thing.

Saying that you will be back with an "I told you so" bookmarked thread in 2019 or 2020 is antagonistic and incorrigible.

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Intellectually dishonest?

Your argument is every bit like the one that I cited, even though you did not make any posts in it.

The similarities are clear.

In fact, YOUR position is a bit more masochistic than the the one that I cited.

In that thread, the OP was suggesting gloom and doom for the 2015 Orioles' finish to this season.

You, on the other hand, are declaring that in several years, you will have bookmarked this thread in the event that the Orioles suffer numerous consecutive losing seasons (as they did from 1998-2011) so that you can ram it down the throats of the posters here of whom you referred to (in obvious sarcasm, as you quoted the term) as "experts."

You must either dislike the Orioles in the first place, or you have a very perverse way of showing your love for them.

Come on dude, don't worry about it.

Some people are unable to discuss differences of opinions.

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That, and no one willing or able to fix any of that for many, many years. In the case of player development, with a few exceptions, it was broken from the early 80s through (pick an end date, and if you're pessimistic maybe never). My opinion is that most organizations are driven to be profitable and win ballgames and will implement solutions that work to fix many or most of the problems the Orioles have/had.

Thankfully, I think it is part of the American psyche to easily forget the depth of past failures. I know that I have lost several Oriole seasons from my consciousness. Some of those dark years were really bad organizationally. It was like no one was even trying, and if there were people trying they where actively getting in each other's way. Who knows what will happen, but the current organization is in no way comparable to the one that was running it during the dark years.

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