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How does Mad Dog know Close cost Fowler $s of dollars? How does he know what Close advocated for and what Fowler directed Close to do?

And why is Close getting blamed for Fowler ending up in Chicago for the agreed upon $ when there was clearly a much bigger deal on the table with the Os? It seems like Close did his job and got the best offer and Fowler went in another direction.

Maybe I'm missing something, but it seems like there are some tools (Mad Dog) here who are venting for or at the direction of our management.

And, getting back to what Close was upset with, who in the Orioles FO confirmed there was a deal and why? I hear no sufficient answer to that question.

Your questions were basically answered in this thread. If you don't like the answers, well there is not much else anyone can say. But everyone is entitled to believe what they want. :)

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Two words I've yet to hear or read concerning this matter: "Bad Faith". It appears to me that Fowler and his agent were likely negotiating with the Orioles in bad faith, in that their true purpose during negotiations was to get the Cubs to up their own offer for Fowler's services, rather than actually offer those services to the Orioles.

Why should any team trust Fowler and his agent from this point on?

The bolded is not correct. Fowler had zero leverage with the Cubs at the time he signed. He took what the club offered up. They did not need him at all. Still do not.

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I can't help but think the Orioles dealings that got them knocked out of Korea makes me suspicious that Casey Close is not entirely at fault. Where there's smoke, there is fire, and it's not the first time the ORIOLES have been sloppy with their negotiations.

The Orioles were temporarily banned from Korean baseball due to signing a young amateur player without first going thru the proper procedure. They didn't sneak around or try to hide it. They simply weren't aware of the procedure. Should they have looked into it and made sure that they were following the appropriate procedure? Sure, but they were not acting in an underhanded fashion. They made a mistake.

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The Orioles were temporarily banned from Korean baseball due to signing a young amateur player without first going thru the proper procedure. They didn't sneak around or try to hide it. They simply weren't aware of the procedure. Should they have looked into it and made sure that they were following the appropriate procedure? Sure, but they were not acting in an underhanded fashion. They made a mistake.

I don't think they were ignorant of the proper procedures.

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I don't think they were ignorant of the proper procedures.

That's how I remember it. They didn't hide anything. When Korean baseball got upset, the Orioles apologized and voided the kid's contract. All was forgiven, and the Orioles can scout and sign Korean ballplayers. The Kim signing would tend to support that. You remember it differently?

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That's how I remember it. They didn't hide anything. When Korean baseball got upset, the Orioles apologized and voided the kid's contract. All was forgiven, and the Orioles can scout and sign Korean ballplayers. The Kim signing would tend to support that. You remember it differently?

I've read some questionable things about Poitevint.

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Mad Dog is a buffoon.

I'd argue that Casey Close is a buffoon as well. No matter how much he blathers about the behavior of the Orioles, he never refuted anything when he had days to, and he cost his player money. Potentially, a lot of money if Fowler hits like he did the 2nd half of last season.

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I'd argue that Casey Close is a buffoon as well. No matter how much he blathers about the behavior of the Orioles, he never refuted anything when he had days to, and he cost his player money. Potentially, a lot of money if Fowler hits like he did the 2nd half of last season.

What I find sad, if Dexter has a good year, EVERY team, including us, will be scrambling for his services in 2017- 2020 or more.

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How does Mad Dog know Close cost Fowler $s of dollars? How does he know what Close advocated for and what Fowler directed Close to do?

And why is Close getting blamed for Fowler ending up in Chicago for the agreed upon $ when there was clearly a much bigger deal on the table with the Os? It seems like Close did his job and got the best offer and Fowler went in another direction.

Maybe I'm missing something, but it seems like there are some tools (Mad Dog) here who are venting for or at the direction of our management.

And, getting back to what Close was upset with, who in the Orioles FO confirmed there was a deal and why? I hear no sufficient answer to that question.

My guess would be that Close read the market wrong for his client. He turned down near 16M on a QO, had him lined up for 35M guaranteed and if he knew his client wanted to be a Cub all along, then why turn the QO down and end up making near 3M less?

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My guess would be that Close read the market wrong for his client. He turned down near 16M on a QO, had him lined up for 35M guaranteed and if he knew his client wanted to be a Cub all along, then why turn the QO down and end up making near 3M less?

It is a guess and perhaps a good one, but we really don't know.

Clearly, at decision making time, Fowler decided he wanted to be a Cub. The path to that destination seems convoluted for sure. Close is a convenient scape goat to fans here because the Os were left without the player and with the best $ on the table, but we really don't know the Close-Fowler decision making process.

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