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I can assure you, if the Orioles do try to acquire another pitcher, that they will empty out the farm. Not the 25 man roster.

And yet nobody cares but Corn....

Board policy says you can't have a different opinion of DD or you get trolled.

Pray for Orlando. End the hate.

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Oh come on...that's pretty melodramatic.

It's not just DD. It's going against the grain in general. You get ridiculed and bullied. "That is tiresome"

Time to take some time away. This board is no longer fun.

Pray for Orlando. End the hate.

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And yet nobody cares but Corn....

Board policy says you can't have a different opinion of DD or you get trolled.

Pray for Orlando. End the hate.

What kind of wacky comment is that? It's fine to disagree or even like Dan Duquette.
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It's not just DD. It's going against the grain in general. You get ridiculed and bullied. "That is tiresome"

Time to take some time away. This board is no longer fun.

Pray for Orlando. End the hate.

That's cool. See you when you get back.

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In reference to becoming sellers should we start to fall in the standings, I don't see any way you trade Trumbo. Assuming he doesn't completely fall apart, he is going to get the QO. I dont see any team giving up a better prospect than a sandwich pick gets us. You also have to factor in the value of the 3 months of Trumbo we would be trading away.

The only time you trade a FA to be in season is if; A) The player is an elite player (Machado, Harper, etc.) that can get you a boatload of prospects, or B) The player is not good enough to warrant a QO at the seasons end.

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And true. Any time anyone dare say anything bad about Duquette you're bombarded with "OMG BUT WE HAVEN'T HAD A LOSING RECORD" as if it's a black and white, cut and dry situation.

Great, we've had four years above .500. How many World Series have we won? Zero. Failure. There's more to competence as a GM than team record. Our scouting is terrible. Our player development is horrid. He has zero regard for the future of the franchise past the end of his tenure. For every good trade he's made, there's several poor ones. He's more concerned with making people think he's smarter than anyone than just doing what's best for the team. If status quo remains, he'll have ruined the future of this team almost as much as Syd Thrift did.

If we win a World Series I don't care if we ever win another game again and will give him a pass for giving me that moment, but as long as we're still chasing one he's considered a negligent failure.

I don't know.

I'm pretty critical and I don't get much blowback from anyone I respect.

Occasionly I do feel like I'm being ganged up on, but I'm pretty confident I'm in the right so I don't mind a good bit of the rough and tumble and I have changed folks minds over the years.

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And true. Any time anyone dare say anything bad about Duquette you're bombarded with "OMG BUT WE HAVEN'T HAD A LOSING RECORD" as if it's a black and white, cut and dry situation.

Great, we've had four years above .500. How many World Series have we won? Zero. Failure. There's more to competence as a GM than team record. Our scouting is terrible. Our player development is horrid. He has zero regard for the future of the franchise past the end of his tenure. For every good trade he's made, there's several poor ones. He's more concerned with making people think he's smarter than anyone than just doing what's best for the team. If status quo remains, he'll have ruined the future of this team almost as much as Syd Thrift did.

If we win a World Series I don't care if we ever win another game again and will give him a pass for giving me that moment, but as long as we're still chasing one he's considered a negligent failure.

That's fair. It's cool to dislike Dan. The winning record stands for itself.

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The market for SP's hasn't materialized yet and it might not. It's a thin FA class for Sp's. Shields already got traded. Doesn't look like much else is out there. Cashner?

Really the team that matches up best with us is the Rays. Lots of SP but they have a need for the bullpen. Usually teams that are battling for a division with one another don't make trades.

I don't think we're at the point yet where the Andrew Cashner types are better than what we have in the rotation 3-5.

We have to root for some teams to surprisingly fall out of races and make some guys available that nobody is talking about right now. Like a team like the Cardinals and Jaime Garcia. Something like that.

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In reference to becoming sellers should we start to fall in the standings, I don't see any way you trade Trumbo. Assuming he doesn't completely fall apart, he is going to get the QO. I dont see any team giving up a better prospect than a sandwich pick gets us. You also have to factor in the value of the 3 months of Trumbo we would be trading away.

The only time you trade a FA to be in season is if; A) The player is an elite player (Machado, Harper, etc.) that can get you a boatload of prospects, or B) The player is not good enough to warrant a QO at the seasons end.

I know, but it is fun to pretend that it might work the other way. No issue with anyone posting about those ideas. The constant FO bashing does get terribly old though. Even if you hate Buck, Dan, and Brady. And the bashing of prospects and pitcher you have never seen or do not have the talent to observe in a professional manner.

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The market for SP's hasn't materialized yet and it might not. It's a thin FA class for Sp's. Shields already got traded. Doesn't look like much else is out there. Cashner?

Really the team that matches up best with us is the Rays. Lots of SP but they have a need for the bullpen. Usually teams that are battling for a division with one another don't make trades.

I don't think we're at the point yet where the Andrew Cashner types are better than what we have in the rotation 3-5.

We have to root for some teams to surprisingly fall out of races and make some guys available that nobody is talking about right now. Like a team like the Cardinals and Jaime Garcia. Something like that.

Isn't Cashner hurt?

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It's not just DD. It's going against the grain in general. You get ridiculed and bullied. "That is tiresome"

Time to take some time away. This board is no longer fun.

Pray for Orlando. End the hate.

But going against the grain can be good. You are not. You are offering factual stretches and bashing while only pretending to offer an alternative.

To Wit:

DD screwed us bad on the SP front. Terrible. Everything he touches falls to crap in the starting pitching front.

How do we right the ship?

We probably have to trade one of Schoop or Trumbo.

Would you do it? Who would you target?

Do you trust DD to execute?

We ALL love Trumbo and Schoop. But Trumbo always tends to tail off and can he really stay this hot?

I much rather keep Schoop, but we need pitching and I am open to anything because right now, the Blue Jays will win the division IMO. Best pitching in the AL East right now and they will probably be big movers at the deadline.

Please pray tell, take your original premise and carry it through. If we accept for a moment that we are doomed because of our pitching (and Im willing to give you some rope here and I think most others would as well), who do you think the Orioles could get for starting pitching for Schoop or Trumbo. You believe we probably have to trade one of them.

Personally, I would trade anyone if it made sense and made the Orioles better. But seriously, give me some names of SP we might get back here.

Trumbo is a 4 month rental, even if he is on the way to earning a big contract. Schoop has some control and still some upside. But who are you getting back that is both going to help our starting pitching and also how will the O's cover second or RF?

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