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1 hour ago, Can_of_corn said:

It might just be that the pitchers are not very good.

Just a theory, going to need some more data before I come to a conclusion.

There is a reason we got these guys for just cash. We need a healthy Tillman or we have to make a trade. It's that simple. 

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8 minutes ago, sportsfan8703 said:

There is a reason we got these guys for just cash. We need a healthy Tillman or we have to make a trade. It's that simple. 

Frank Thomas was suggesting the Orioles trade for Jose Quintana in the FS1 pregame show on Saturday.  I would love to have him, but it would probably cost us at least Mancini, Sedlock, AND Sisco to get Quintana.  

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30 minutes ago, FanSince88 said:

Frank Thomas was suggesting the Orioles trade for Jose Quintana in the FS1 pregame show on Saturday.  I would love to have him, but it would probably cost us at least Mancini, Sedlock, AND Sisco to get Quintana.  

More than that is my guess bc I would do that deal. He's signed through 2018 I believe and our staff is only going to get worse as people realize this mystery faith in Ubaldo every ST is moronic.

All depends if the goal is to win something or just be competitive. I think for business reasons it's the latter so don't think something like that would happen.

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26 minutes ago, Rene88 said:

More than that is my guess bc I would do that deal. He's signed through 2018 I believe and our staff is only going to get worse as people realize this mystery faith in Ubaldo every ST is moronic.

All depends if the goal is to win something or just be competitive. I think for business reasons it's the latter so don't think something like that would happen.

I would trade Mancini and probably Sisco too in a package for Quintana, but I would not want to part with Sedlock.  

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See three Norfolk pitcher that have a chance to help. 

Asher, pitches today.  Let's see what he has got.   On the roster

Bleier, Pitching well.  Was a starter in 2015.  Has some major league experience.   He is a lefty which is not ideal but if he is pitching well and no one else steps up he may be able to help. On the roster

Richard Rodriguez,  Pitching well.  Not normally a starter but if he can go 4 and hold down the competition I would give him a chance. He is a righty. Pitched well at AAA last year.  No on the roster.  Santander would have to be put on the 60 day DL to make room.

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10 hours ago, Rene88 said:

Greetings from Fiji!

No pitcher has been pitching good for Norfolk it seems, starters or relievers. Gotta think Cisco has something to do with it? At the very least, worth asking the question. If not Cisco, something other than the pitchers.

How are you!   It's Sisco. Not that the issue is he. The name. 

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11 hours ago, Rene88 said:

Greetings from Fiji!

No pitcher has been pitching good for Norfolk it seems, starters or relievers. Gotta think Cisco has something to do with it? At the very least, worth asking the question. If not Cisco, something other than the pitchers.

Pena caught yesterday.  Same result. Aquino - 3 innings, 4 earned runs

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Or...or...or maybe we don't make judgements about players after one start or appearance? Other than Sedlock, none of our top pitching prospects that have pitched have pitched particularly well in their first start. You know what that means? Nothing.

Come talk to me at the end of April after they've made 5-6 starts and then we will have a better idea of how things are going. Hell Akins was bombed in his first start but it was 40 some degrees and a day after his initial start was supposed to be. It was clearly an awful start to the year, but he could very well come back and be lights in his next start. Give these guys a chance. Its fine to follow and talk about how they are doing, but I caution making conclusions at this point. 

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8 minutes ago, Tony-OH said:

Or...or...or maybe we don't make judgements about players after one start or appearance? Other than Sedlock, none of our top pitching prospects that have pitched have pitched particularly well in their first start. You know what that means? Nothing.

Come talk to me at the end of April after they've made 5-6 starts and then we will have a better idea of how things are going. Hell Akins was bombed in his first start but it was 40 some degrees and a day after his initial start was supposed to be. It was clearly an awful start to the year, but he could very well come back and be lights in his next start. Give these guys a chance. Its fine to follow and talk about how they are doing, but I caution making conclusions at this point. 

I don't think we are talking about making conclusions on whether a pitcher's career will be good or bad.   Instead we are talking about who is pitching well enough to pitch in the majors on April 15th and April 22nd.  The O's have to come to a conclusion on that.  

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14 minutes ago, wildcard said:

I don't think we are talking about making conclusions on whether a pitcher's career will be good or bad.   Instead we are talking about who is pitching well enough to pitch in the majors on April 15th and April 22nd.  The O's have to come to a conclusion on that.  

Sure, but they aren't going to make that decision based off of one start or appearance necessarily. It's going to come down to who's available around that date and throwing the best. If Asher throws well tonight, along with the fact that his next start lines up with the 15th, he very well could be that guy. I agree that Aquino did not help himself out last night, but the Orioles brass liked what they saw of him this spring. Saying that, considering Toronto is a right-handed heavy team, I'd rather see a right-hander than a left-hander make the start which again leads me back to Asher. If Asher struggles badly tonight after struggling this spring with Philadelphia, the other option would be to give Wilson the start than send him back to AAA afterwards and bring up someone like Ynoa to pitch in his long relief role.

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