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Jim Bowden Believes The Orioles Will Need To Pay Manny Close To $400 Million To Lock Him Up Long-Term

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7 minutes ago, SteveA said:

Yeah, that's why players ask for contracts with opt-outs.   To give them an option to "keep winning".

Nothing all to do with the abillity to get a much bigger contract (see:  Grienke, Zach) if the market has changed in the player's favor.

Did I say anything like that? I said Manny may want to move just to keep winning, I didn't say Manny will want the opt out only because he wants to keep winning.

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A new potential wrinkle in this story -- Machado has made some highlight plays but his defense has been bad so far in 2017.  Much of his value comes from his defense at 3B.  There is no way he is worth that mega deal if he loses his edge with the glove.

Just a hiccup or is this a sign of things to come?  Many players lose their defensive edge early in their careers.

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14 minutes ago, 25 Nuggets said:

A new potential wrinkle in this story -- Machado has made some highlight plays but his defense has been bad so far in 2017.  Much of his value comes from his defense at 3B.  There is no way he is worth that mega deal if he loses his edge with the glove.

Just a hiccup or is this a sign of things to come?  Many players lose their defensive edge early in their careers.

That play looked like Manny kind of lolly gagging it. Like when he hits a grounder and doesn't run it out.

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8 hours ago, RZNJ said:

 

3. I would not pay the 396M contract that was mentioned.    Any decline in Machado or serious injury can cripple the franchise for years.

 

396M is stupid money.  Someone will be stupid enough to pay it, and hopefully it won't be us.  8 other guys have to bat and play the field.  With the market value for even a one-WAR player exceeding 10 million per year and rising, paying that much and locking him down for that length of time is completely insane even for rich teams.  It will be interesting to see what the Yankees do here, considering their recent humiliating experience with ARod toward the end of his contract.  I wouldn't be surprised if the Yanks allow themselves to be outbid for Manny.  Recent indications seem to suggest the Yanks are no longer a team that tries to collect the biggest toys just to prove that they can, like they're actually trying to build a well-rounded team instead of merely being conspicuous consumers who occasionally win a WS.  

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2 minutes ago, FanSince88 said:

396M is stupid money.  Someone will be stupid enough to pay it, and hopefully it won't be us.  8 other guys have to bat and play the field.  With the market value for even a one-WAR player exceeding 10 million per year and rising, paying that much and locking him down for that length of time is completely insane even for rich teams.  It will be interesting to see what the Yankees do here, considering their recent humiliating experience with ARod toward the end of his contract.  I wouldn't be surprised if the Yanks allow themselves to be outbid for Manny.  Recent indications seem to suggest the Yanks are no longer a team that tries to collect the biggest toys just to prove that they can, like they're actually trying to build a well-rounded team instead of merely being conspicuous consumers who occasionally win a WS.  

Nobody is paying close to that amount for Machado.  The best player in the league might, might get that amount, and Machado isn't even close to being the best player in the league.

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14 minutes ago, CheeryO said:

Nobody is paying close to that amount for Machado.  The best player in the league might, might get that amount, and Machado isn't even close to being the best player in the league.

I'm glad someone else has the courage to say that. 

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17 minutes ago, CheeryO said:

Nobody is paying close to that amount for Machado.  The best player in the league might, might get that amount, and Machado isn't even close to being the best player in the league.

On one hand no one is close to Trout.

On the other hand Machado is in the grouping directly under Trout.

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12 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

On one hand no one is close to Trout.

On the other hand Machado is in the grouping directly under Trout.

Maybe, or maybe the third tier down.  Machado may have been the best defensive player in the league for a year or two, but he isn't anymore.  Anyway, so what?  Nobody pays huge bucks for defense, and Machado has never broken a .900 OPS, he's never had more than 100 RBIs, and he's only ever led the league in one offensive category -- doubles back in 2013.  He has had two very good years hitting, but people are acting like he's Mike Schmidt or Miguel Cabrera.  We'll know a lot more in a couple months about whether people think he belongs in the category just below Trout or not.

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Is Manny hurt. Is the wrist that he bent other his body making a diving stop at third bothering him

He is not hitting a lick and with this start it will be another year that he bats no higher than .280.

Not a 300 million dollar year player if he can't put up a few .950 OPS years

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