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Orioles, please don't emulate 1986 team.


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In 1986, Earl Weaver was back as manager. The Orioles were 59-47, 3.5 games behind the Red Sox. They were playing the Rangers. The Orioles hit two grand slams in one inning, by Jim Dwyer and Larry Sheets, to take a big lead. They still led 11-6 in the eighth inning. 

They then gave up six runs on the way to losing the game 13-11. From then on, they went 14-42 the rest of the season. I fervently hope this season's team doesn't follow the example of that team.

Today's start by Ubaldo looks too much like 1986. He's given up five runs in two innings, including allowing to walks the score (last night, the last five walks the Orioles allowed scored.)

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OK it was a terrible loss, but as bad as one loss may be you can't really compare a team that has strung together some wins barely 20 games into a season to one that melted down 122 games into a season.  For one thing that team was full of several older stars/veterans past their prime, while this team has mostly younger to middle career guys most of all whom have pros to match their well known cons.  On top of that, with Tillman and Britton both out it's not surprising the O's pitching blew one game big time to a hot, young rival.  This pitching staff was overdue for a meltdown.

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4 hours ago, Ori-Al said:

In 1986, Earl Weaver was back as manager. The Orioles were 59-47, 3.5 games behind the Red Sox. They were playing the Rangers. The Orioles hit two grand slams in one inning, by Jim Dwyer and Larry Sheets, to take a big lead. They still led 11-6 in the eighth inning. 

They then gave up six runs on the way to losing the game 13-11. From then on, they went 14-42 the rest of the season. I fervently hope this season's team doesn't follow the example of that team.

Today's start by Ubaldo looks too much like 1986. He's given up five runs in two innings, including allowing to walks the score (last night, the last five walks the Orioles allowed scored.)

Well I do think this team will have a good season. Hope so anyway. 

 

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