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3 hours ago, weams said:

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The Tigers have made several deep playoff runs in the past few years, thanks in large part to their willingness to sign proven, elite starting pitching.

The O's are still stupid for not making moves like that.

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7 hours ago, sea lion said:

The Tigers have made several deep playoff runs in the past few years, thanks in large part to their willingness to sign proven, elite starting pitching.

The O's are still stupid for not making moves like that.

In fairness, Detroit had quite a few seasons there where they were given an automatic playoff birth.  The Twins, Indians, White Sox, and Royals had several seasons where they struggled to win 100 games combined.  Overspending by the Tigers was both unnecessary then and very costly now that the other AL Central teams actually have major league rosters, IMO.

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11 hours ago, Frobby said:

I would have signed Zimmermann to that deal at the time.    Glad we didn't.  

So would I. At least Zimmermann's contract was based off five excellent seasons with the Nationals. The Orioles signed Ubaldo after he had two very good months with the Indians.

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23 hours ago, Number5 said:

In fairness, Detroit had quite a few seasons there where they were given an automatic playoff birth.  The Twins, Indians, White Sox, and Royals had several seasons where they struggled to win 100 games combined.

True, but a weak division didn't hand them four ALCS appearances and two pennants in the last 11 years. The difference between the O's and Tigers is the O's are built to make the playoffs, and the Tigers are built to go to deep.

 

23 hours ago, Number5 said:

Overspending by the Tigers was both unnecessary then and very costly now that the other AL Central teams actually have major league rosters, IMO.

What makes it overspending and unnecessary? The central has won 4 of the last 5 pennants; was it better off as a joke?

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23 minutes ago, sea lion said:

 The difference between the O's and Tigers is the O's are built to make the playoffs, and the Tigers are built to go to deep.

Remind me, who was it who we beat in the 2014 ALDS?

I'm not going to begrudge the Tigers anything they've accomplished.    I applaud their late owner for being willing to spend a lot of money, and he did have some success at times.    Still, we haven't had the payroll the Tigers have had, so it's hard to say more of our available payroll should have been spent on pitchers.   When I look at the last Tigers team to go to the World Series, they had a relatively young staff, not a bunch of free agents.

 

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1 hour ago, Frobby said:

Remind me, who was it who we beat in the 2014 ALDS?

I'm not going to begrudge the Tigers anything they've accomplished.    I applaud their late owner for being willing to spend a lot of money, and he did have some success at times.    Still, we haven't had the payroll the Tigers have had, so it's hard to say more of our available payroll should have been spent on pitchers.   When I look at the last Tigers team to go to the World Series, they had a relatively young staff, not a bunch of free agents.

 

Yes. All true. 

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On 5/23/2017 at 1:05 AM, sea lion said:

The Tigers have made several deep playoff runs in the past few years, thanks in large part to their willingness to sign proven, elite starting pitching.

The O's are still stupid for not making moves like that.

 I am glad they didn't sign Zimmerman. They did sign CD for 162 million.  I thought then and still do that the contract to Davis was stupid. That money should have been used on the  team not one player. Anyway that is past history and we as fans have to live with it.

 

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On 5/24/2017 at 8:48 AM, sea lion said:

True, but a weak division didn't hand them four ALCS appearances and two pennants in the last 11 years. The difference between the O's and Tigers is the O's are built to make the playoffs, and the Tigers are built to go to deep.

 

What makes it overspending and unnecessary? The central has won 4 of the last 5 pennants; was it better off as a joke?

Step one in advancing in the playoffs is making it to the playoffs.  You agree that Detroit was virtually given automatic berths when all of the other teams in their division were consistently poor.  Once there, advancing in some years becomes possible, even likely, if given the playoff spot year after year.  They were always given home field advantage over wild card teams, and often over other division winners that didn't have the luxury of playing half their games vs. the also-rans of the AL Central.  Any team can win a short series, and their odds increase when given home field advantage.  I'm taking nothing away from the Tigers, as they did win the games against their poor division rivals on the field, but I do think we need to look at the advantageous situation that they enjoyed honestly.

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21 hours ago, Tx Oriole said:

 I am glad they didn't sign Zimmerman. They did sign CD for 162 million.  I thought then and still do that the contract to Davis was stupid. That money should have been used on the  team not one player. Anyway that is past history and we as fans have to live with it.

 

Agreed. Talk with Mister Angelos about how he wanted to spend his money. 

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