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All bWAR numbers 

Davis 23M- I know 6M deferred, 0.1 WAR 

Trumbo 11.5M, 0.0 WAR

Hardy 14M, -0.7 WAR

Miley 8.9M, 0.7 WAR

Tillman 10.05M, -2.1 WAR

Ubaldo 13.5M, -1.2 WAR

You can break it down a million ways. Britton and O'Day could be added, etc. That said we have a replacement for Hardy at least. People bring up needing 3 starting pitchers. Well the 3 they are replacing are making a combined 32.45M with -2.6 WAR. Miley at least has not been a total embarrassment but still. 

Trumbo and Davis aren't going anywhere. Perhaps can hope for a slight improvement next year. Hope...  Beckham, warts and all will help at SS. Going to be hard to match the 3.3 WAR from Castillo and Joseph but RF is an area we can improve along with SS.  

As far as the starting pitching goes it has only one place to go I would hope. Bundy is at 2.6 WAR, Gausman 1.1. Need more from Kevin. We shall see what happens but we aren't exactly replacing Palmer, Cuellar and McNally. 

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Indefensible. A shockingly bad allocation of resources. Tillman is not on DD, just bad luck there, and I don't blame Dan for Hardy either. The rest of this mess, with possibly the exception of Davis, is on DD. Oh, don't forget about Gallardo, and the draft picks the Orioles gave up, or didn't recoup from letting guys like Davis and Trumbo walk...

The more I look at DD's recent performance, the more I am convinced it's time for him to move on after the season.

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3 minutes ago, Es4M11 said:

Indefensible. A shockingly bad allocation of resources. Tillman is not on DD, just bad luck there, and I don't blame Dan for Hardy either. The rest of this mess, with possibly the exception of Davis, is on DD. Oh, don't forget about Gallardo, and the draft picks the Orioles gave up, or didn't recoup from letting guys like Davis and Trumbo walk...

The more I look at DD's recent performance, the more I am convinced it's time for him to move on after the season.

I'm sure you could breakdown other teams and see similar production. In many cases age and injures are factors. Of course those 2 tend to go hand in hand. 

It is hard-not impossible- to bring in outside pitching help and it is a young man's game. 

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2 minutes ago, Enjoy Terror said:

I mean, four of those players aren't here next year.

To those that think DD needs to be canned... who will replace him?

Brady.....

I think it does point out that a team like the Orioles can afford a Manny if they allocate their resources better. 

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2 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

How is Tillman not on Dan? He was injured last season. They tendered an injured player a contract.

I think with Tillman's track record, he had to be brought back and given an opportunity. It would be a bad look for the organization to non-tender Tillman, then try to bring him back on a discounted contract considering his contributions to the club over the past several years. Business decisions should be cold and calculated, but not heartless.

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4 minutes ago, Enjoy Terror said:

I mean, four of those players aren't here next year.

To those that think DD needs to be canned... who will replace him?

Looks like it could be Brady, but he wouldn't be my choice. I'm sure that if the Orioles looked hard enough they could find a young, hungry, and talented guy to come work for Peter. As Weems says, there are only 30 of these jobs to go around - even working for Angelos, it is a coveted position.

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8 minutes ago, eddie83 said:

Brady.....

I think it does point out that a team like the Orioles can afford a Manny if they allocate their resources better. 

With so much money coming off after this season, seems like they are allocated okay to me. I certainly haven't read anywhere that they are unable to sign Manny because of money, other than that he's asking for the moon. All thirty teams would struggle to fit Manny in the budget.

Also, what makes Brady more qualified  (or at all qualified) to replace DD? He's already part of this organization some of you have deemed "mismanaged". Has he come out publicly against these moves that show he's making sound choices against what his employers think? Why would we think that he's not already heavily involved in the decisions the Orioles have already made?

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6 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

How is Tillman not on Dan? He was injured last season. They tendered an injured player a contract.

It wasn't obvious that injury was going to linger.    Tillman made five starts last year after coming back from his injury:

6.0 IP 1 ER

5.2 IP 3 ER

1.2 IP 3 ER

5.2 IP 1 ER

4.1 IP 2 ER (WC game)

That's a 3.86 ERA.    Perhaps not vintage Tillman, but I don't remember anyone being particularly concerned that he had an injury that was likely to linger into 2017.

 

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6 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

This franchise is used to bad looks.

He showed up for camp with the same injury he had last year.

Bringing him back is 100% on the gm.

Easy for you sit here today and say that...

I didn't see you making this call in spring training.

Just one of those things.

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Just now, Frobby said:

It wasn't obvious that injury was going to linger.    Tillman made five starts last year after coming back from his injury:

6.0 IP 1 ER

5.2 IP 3 ER

1.2 IP 3 ER

5.2 IP 1 ER

4.1 IP 2 ER (WC game)

That's a 3.86 ERA.    Perhaps not vintage Tillman, but I don't remember anyone being particularly concerned that he had an injury that was likely to linger into 2017.

 

It's also an avg of less than 5 innings per start.

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