What's up with Jones' glove

[Frobby]

Three errors in his last six games.   As it happens, I didn't see any of them, so I can't comment on how egregious they were.   Still, three E's in a week is pretty bad.

[eddie83]

Lack of concentration/focus? I have no explanation.  

[Babypowder]

By the metrics, this is the worst defensive season of his career. Now at -12 DRS and -15.2 UZR. Even with a modest improvement offensively from last year, he's at 1.3 fWAR (1.5 in 2016). He's improved by rWAR however, up to 2.0 so far from 1.1 last year.

[Frobby]

1 minute ago, Babypowder said:

By the metrics, this is the worst defensive season of his career. Now at -12 DRS and -15.2 UZR. Even with a modest improvement offensively from last year, he's at 1.3 fWAR (1.5 in 2016). He's improved by rWAR however, up to 2.0 so far from 1.1 last year.

Aside from this recent spate of errors, I can't say he looks worse to me this year than in past years.    I recall that earlier in the year there was a lot of talk that the O's were positioning Jones deeper this year and that was going to help his defensive metrics.     I guess not.

[Babypowder]

2 minutes ago, Frobby said:

Aside from this recent spate of errors, I can't say he looks worse to me this year than in past years.    I recall that earlier in the year there was a lot of talk that the O's were positioning Jones deeper this year and that was going to help his defensive metrics.     I guess not.

He looks worse to me, a lot of balls I feel like a good center fielder gets to that he doesn't. He just looks slow. The new sprint speed metrics are confirming that he just doesn't run as well as most center fielders.

[eddie83]

Hard to see room for Jones here after next year. All of the position player prospects plus Davis blocking Mancini at 1B.  

[Ruzious]

But these errors appeared to be from lack of concentration.  Twice, the ball just popped out of his mit on routine plays, and of course, Jones is a one-handed catcher - he never uses his throwing hand to secure the catch.  Maybe he should.  It's something little-leaguers are taught to do.  I think Jones is still a very capable player, but he probably should be given a lot more days off - just play 5 games a week.  

[eddie83]

5 minutes ago, Babypowder said:

He looks worse to me, a lot of balls I feel like a good center fielder gets to that he doesn't. He just looks slow. The new sprint speed metrics are confirming that he just doesn't run as well as most center fielders.

He looks like it has been worse as the season progressed. He should be a corner OF. 

[eddie83]

1 minute ago, Ruzious said:

But these errors appeared to be from lack of concentration.  Twice, the ball just popped out of his mit on routine plays, and of course, Jones is a one-handed catcher - he never uses his throwing hand to secure the catch.  Maybe he should.  It's something little-leaguers are taught to do.  I think Jones is still a very capable player, but he probably should be given a lot more days off - just play 5 games a week.  

Right, these mistakes are not skill related. 

[Es4M11]

It's time, move him off CF. I don't care about his feelings on the matter. If Mullins is the answer in CF, great, otherwise it's time to find someone capable of playing the position. Time for Jones to accept it, he is hurting the Orioles in CF.

[eddie83]

3 minutes ago, Es4M11 said:

It's time, move him off CF. I don't care about his feelings on the matter. If Mullins is the answer in CF, great, otherwise it's time to find someone capable of playing the position. Time for Jones to accept it, he is hurting the Orioles in CF.

Only hear one more year. I doubt they do it. Mullins will be at AAA I assume. Unless they try Hays who everyone thinks will stay in RF.  

[NashLumber]

37 minutes ago, Ruzious said:

But these errors appeared to be from lack of concentration.  Twice, the ball just popped out of his mit on routine plays, and of course, Jones is a one-handed catcher - he never uses his throwing hand to secure the catch.  Maybe he should.  It's something little-leaguers are taught to do.  I think Jones is still a very capable player, but he probably should be given a lot more days off - just play 5 games a week.  

I agree. Mental. He's not as bad as that. I remember Willie Davis making three errors in one *game*, let alone one week like Adam (Dodgers vs. O's World Series in '66). It happens, especially what happened there with Adam. I do agree he needs some rest. I think this is what happens when your stun gun is set to "grind" and you don't recharge occasionally.  

[Es4M11]

3 minutes ago, eddie83 said:

Only hear one more year. I doubt they do it. Mullins will be at AAA I assume. Unless they try Hays who everyone thinks will stay in RF.  

That's 1 more year too many for Jones to be manning CF. In an ideal world Baltimore can move Trumbo for a pack of gum, or whatever. Slide Mancini to DH, Jones to RF, Hays to LF, and (Mullins/competent defender) in CF.

Jones is done as a CF IMO. To run him out there next year would be more of the same, and I have had enough of that.

[Frobby]

I seriously doubt Mullins is ready for the majors.    We're taking about a guy who has played 76 games above Delmarva and finished the year in an hellacious slump.     He needs another full year in the minors.

[eddie83]

5 minutes ago, Es4M11 said:

That's 1 more year too many for Jones to be manning CF. In an ideal world Baltimore can move Trumbo for a pack of gum, or whatever. Slide Mancini to DH, Jones to RF, Hays to LF, and (Mullins/competent defender) in CF.

Jones is done as a CF IMO. To run him out there next year would be more of the same, and I have had enough of that.

You don't want to rush Mullins up here before he is ready. Don't compound a mistake. And then why try to add a CF when OF seems to be a place of depth?  I mean if they could pull of a trade for Inciarte from Atlanta but they would want a ton.