Machado to the Dodgers, 5-1 deal

[weams]

Just now, bobmc said:

Wow!  That would fit nicely in my wardrobe!

I have the shirt from my second to last visit. 

[Roll Tide]

45 minutes ago, weams said:

 

Weams I've looked at grades on the internet.  Most are grading the return a B for us. It was pretty much predicted by the experts that we 70 cents on the dollar due to Manny being a rental. I looked at the MASN comments this morning which I'm guessing is more for the average fan. Based on this trade they are worried about Dan getting a good return for Britton. 

Everybody can go back and read my posts speculating the players on here. I did mention Kremer, and Bannon in some my hypothetical deals ;). I wanted for Verdugo, May, and Lux but it's hard to be unhappy with the return with Manny so close to free agency.

Im not sure I understand what the guy is saying in that tweet. Would you mind explaining it here please?

 

[ShaneDawg85]

11 hours ago, Diehard_O's_Fan said:

I am really glad the Orioles got Diaz. However, I find it odd how the Manny deal was centered around a hittter instead of a pitcher. Does anyone else find that odd as well? Do the Orioles have more of a hitting problem right now instead of a pitching problem? 

Considering they're on pace to have one of the worst season in team history in terms of runs scored, I'd say so.  They've got problems regardless, but the bottom line is offense is a major problem.

[bobmc]

 

23 minutes ago, weams said:

I have the shirt from my second to last visit. 

Currently unavailable. 
We don't know when or if this item will be back in stock.  LOL

[TonySoprano]

Here are excerpts from Dan Connolly's latest talking to scouts about the Machado Deal  https://theathletic.com/437664/2018/07/19/mlb-trade-deadline-manny-machado-dodgers-orioles-prospects-returns-scouting-report/

Yusniel Diaz

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What’s not to like: Despite the display at the Futures Game, the power hasn’t come yet (26 homers in 989 minor league at-bats) and, though he has good speed, he has been thrown out 30 of 54 times trying to steal in his career. He immediately becomes the organization’s best outfield prospect, but that is one of its strengths already. Still, he projects above Cedric Mullins and Hays currently.
A scout’s take: “He projects to be a solid, everyday player. He’s a little on the crude side, but he’s a very tools-y guy. He’s got bat speed, though he’s more of a line-drive, gap-to-gap guy with occasional power. He could hit 15-20 homers someday, and bat .270 to .290 with plus speed, though he’s not a burner. I think he could play center field, but he’ll probably end up in right. His stuff, his arm, really fits more into right field and he should bat second to sixth in a major league lineup, but I doubt he’s a three or cleanup guy. He’s young and he’s made a lot of improvements this year.”

Zach Pop - 
 

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What’s not to like: He’s considered a two-pitch pitcher, which will limit him to the bullpen. He throws a hard slider, but it hasn’t been consistent. The Orioles always seem to be able to develop bullpen candidates, so this wasn’t an obvious need. But a power arm is always valuable.
A scout’s take: “He has a chance to be an above-average set-up man. His fastball is at 95 to 99 from a three-quarters slot. It has plus-life in the strike zone. His hard slider is average, inconsistent, but he attacks hitters. He’s a guy that could move quickly in the system.”

Dean Kremer -

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What’s not to like: His secondary pitches, a slider and changeup, are viewed as developing, and they may never get to the point to really help in the majors. So, he could be limited to the bullpen. One scout who saw him thinks he’s a “Quad-A” guy – or, in other words, another passenger on the Norfolk-Baltimore shuttle.

A scout’s take: “His fastball is 90 to 96 (mph), with 93 as his average. I view him as a starter, but really a fifth starter in the majors. His fastball, he has to spot it. I like the break with his curve, good break, but his slider and change are below average for me. He has pretty good command, but not great. So, he’s a back-end starter, maybe long reliever.”

Rylan Bannon - 
 

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What’s not to like: There is some question as to what position he will play. He would project as a utility type, but he doesn’t play shortstop. At first blush, he seems like Steve Wilkerson with more power and potentially better defense. He also has struck out a ton in 2018, though he draws walks, too.

A scout’s take: “He’s a smallish guy, but wiry strong. Has a big-time uppercut swing. Lots of fly balls, good pop and bat speed, but he strikes out a little too much and swings underneath the ball. He’s adequate defensively; I think he’ll be better at second than third. His hands are average; has good range at both spots. He’s not an everyday guy for me, more of a utility.”

Breyvic Valera
 

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What’s not to like: There is nothing inspiring about Valera, a Venezuela native. He seems to be a solid player, sort of a Ryan Flaherty type without the shortstop capability. But he’s organizational depth and could help in the majors if needed. Still, he’d get exposed with too much playing time. A classic last piece in a trade.

A scout’s take: “He’s a utility infielder with great makeup, off-the-charts makeup. He’s a line-drive, contact, gap-to-gap hitter. A switch-hitter that can hit from both sides, but not a power guy. He’s basically a second baseman. You don’t really want to put him on the other side. He could do it in an emergency. He’s a below-average runner, but not slow. He’s one of those guys where the intangibles, the feel for the game, make him a better player.”

 

[TonySoprano]

 

[Greg Pappas]

 

[Greg Pappas]

http://www.espn.com/espnradio/play?id=24138990

Keith Law talks about the trade around the 2:00 mark.

[TonySoprano]

19 hours ago, TonySoprano said:

Callis said he was "underwhelmed" and added the Orioles likely would've gotten a better haul last Winter.

Here is the full interview

 

[bobmc]

Numero Ocho para Manny!

https://twitter.com/THEREAL_DV/status/1019981928479375360/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1019981928479375360&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dodgersnation.com%2Fmanny-machado-reveals-what-number-he-will-wear-bh0796%2F2018%2F07%2F19%2F

[Grt 2BA FL Gator]

3 hours ago, Greg Pappas said:

http://www.espn.com/espnradio/play?id=24138990

Keith Law talks about the trade around the 2:00 mark.

It's interesting. He's comparing the deal to what it could have been had we traded him earlier. That's fine,  but not quite what you should compare it to to decide if it's good value as the trade stands. They really posture it that we should have gotten much more for a star of Manny's caliber. But I don't feel like they provide much evidence of what you could get other than comparing it to the Aroldis Chapman deal. And then Law used Andrew Miller as an example, even though he wasn't a rental. 

Doesn't sound like he's too high on Diaz, interestingly enough. Doesn't consider him a top 50 overall prospect and they aren't calling Diaz "elite" even. Said he's not a star and you should get someone back that could become a Manny type player. 

And then Buster says "for the Orioles to create offense in the outfield is not much of a task".

I know the national media guys can't follow as closely as we do, but man. Sometimes it's rough. If not for Adam Jones, our outfield would have been awful the past few years. We've played Davis and Mancini out there. 

I guess they have a right to their opinion, I just don't feel like they gave good context to the trade and basically just ooooed and ahhhhed about Manny being a superstar and it's underwhelming what we got back. Hopefully they are wrong and hopefully Diaz can stay healthy and rake. 

Edited July 19, 2018 by Grt 2BA FL Gator

[TonySoprano]

Opinions are like you-know-what, everyone has one.  If you'd listen to "Peanut Reynolds" on MLB last night, the O's should've gotten back someone on the Dodgers' current roster. He thinks that would be something the fans could appreciate more.  This year is a huge write-off, Harold, you build for the future.

[baltfan]

Good tweet from the Driveline guy. 

https://twitter.com/drivelinebases/status/1020006055730794498?s=20

[Greg Pappas]

24 minutes ago, Grt 2BA FL Gator said:

It's interesting. He's comparing the deal to what it could have been had we traded him earlier. That's fine,  but not quite what you should compare it to to decide if it's good value as the trade stands. They really posture it that we should have gotten much more for a star of Manny's caliber. But I don't feel like they provide much evidence of what you could get other than comparing it to the Aroldis Chapman deal. And then Law used Andrew Miller as an example, even though he wasn't a rental. 

Doesn't sound like he's too high on Diaz, interestingly enough. Doesn't consider him a top 50 overall prospect and they aren't calling Diaz "elite" even. Said he's not a star and you should get someone back that could become a Manny type player. 

And then Buster says "for the Orioles to create offense in the outfield is not much of a task".

I know the national media guys can't follow as closely as we do, but man. Sometimes it's rough. If not for Adam Jones, our outfield would have been awful the past few years. We've played Davis and Mancini out there. 

I guess they have a right to their opinion, I just don't feel like they gave good context to the trade and basically just ooooed and ahhhhed about Manny being a superstar and it's underwhelming what we got back. Hopefully they are wrong and hopefully Diaz can stay healthy and rake. 

Law, "That's a more reasonable return. It is not a bad trade for Baltimore. It's a little bit of an uninspiring trade for Baltimore." He then said later, "The return they got here was appropriate for a rental. It was more a quantity over quality trade. I don't think they got anybody in this deal who's going to be a star. It's probably quite fair for half a season of Machado. But there's nothing here to truly excite you, if your an Orioles fan..." Then shortly after, "They just got bulk."

There was more, some of which you alluded to, but trying to type and listen is hard. LOL! 

[baltfan]

45 minutes ago, Grt 2BA FL Gator said:

It's interesting. He's comparing the deal to what it could have been had we traded him earlier. That's fine,  but not quite what you should compare it to to decide if it's good value as the trade stands. They really posture it that we should have gotten much more for a star of Manny's caliber. But I don't feel like they provide much evidence of what you could get other than comparing it to the Aroldis Chapman deal. And then Law used Andrew Miller as an example, even though he wasn't a rental. 

Doesn't sound like he's too high on Diaz, interestingly enough. Doesn't consider him a top 50 overall prospect and they aren't calling Diaz "elite" even. Said he's not a star and you should get someone back that could become a Manny type player. 

And then Buster says "for the Orioles to create offense in the outfield is not much of a task".

I know the national media guys can't follow as closely as we do, but man. Sometimes it's rough. If not for Adam Jones, our outfield would have been awful the past few years. We've played Davis and Mancini out there. 

I guess they have a right to their opinion, I just don't feel like they gave good context to the trade and basically just ooooed and ahhhhed about Manny being a superstar and it's underwhelming what we got back. Hopefully they are wrong and hopefully Diaz can stay healthy and rake. 

He has Diaz #49 in his new Top 50.  People are aleeping on Kremer. His path reminds me of deGrom. Late comer to pitching who should have a fresh arm.