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18 minutes ago, Frobby said:

Mussina, Anderson and Belle had no trade clauses in their contracts.   

Yup. Which is why they weren't traded. Which is why I don't give Syd Thrift too much grief for his handling of the 2000 trade deadline.

Doesn't mean he was a good executive, it's just on this particular issue there wasn't much else to do.

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21 minutes ago, Dipper9 said:

The Luis Rivera trade is one of the reasons the Orioles have such a deep medical screening process now.  He was injured when we traded for him and amounted to less than nothing.  

Yeah - IIRC Rivera was borderline shady by the Braves.  Sounds like they had a good idea that he wasn't right when he was traded.

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3 minutes ago, Mondo Trasho said:

Yup. Which is why they weren't traded. Which is why I don't give Syd Thrift too much grief for his handling of the 2000 trade deadline.

Doesn't mean he was a good executive, it's just on this particular issue there wasn't much else to do.

Oh no no, please do.  It was dreadful.  The moment that should have helped set the organization up for years to come, literally contributed to setting them back several years.  

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2 minutes ago, Dipper9 said:

Weams, correct me if I'm wrong, this is a legit question, but isn't Camden Depot just like us, or are they a legit source of things?  

I think it is a compiler of stuff Oriole related...some of which is original.  But either way it says it is shutting down in October.

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1 hour ago, Mondo Trasho said:

Yup. Which is why they weren't traded. Which is why I don't give Syd Thrift too much grief for his handling of the 2000 trade deadline.

Doesn't mean he was a good executive, it's just on this particular issue there wasn't much else to do.

Syd Thrift gets every bit of grief he deserves for 2000 and more.  All the negative hyperbole tossed at the DD, is well deserved of that horrible "rebuild".

He lucked up with Melvin Mora.

Everyone remembers Luis Rivera being a bust but so few people remember Trent Hubbard was part of the BJ Surhoff package. 36 year old, .1 CAREER WAR  Trent Hubbard was part of a package that was supposed to be part of a rebuild. 

Brook Fordyce was 30 years old, 1.8 CAREER WAR, was part of a subpar return for an excellent defensive catcher having a breakout season in Charles Johnson.

He somehow managed to get two players older than his two best trade chips in what was supposed to be a rebuild. 

No one, absolutely no one, thought any players he got in return were prospects, not even a lottery ticket. He got back a collection of non-prospects, a couple of 4A players (Mora who blossomed), and two players in their thirties, for a rebuilding club. 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Dipper9 said:

Weams, correct me if I'm wrong, this is a legit question, but isn't Camden Depot just like us, or are they a legit source of things?  

Well, this tweet is just an opinion on what the Orioles should do so it’s as valid as anyone’s opinion. I happen to agree. 

As far as a legit source of things, as a source of Orioles statistical analysis, it’s as good of a source as any (although they are closing up shop shortly). I think this site (OH) does a better job with prospects and covering the minors leagues and the draft as well as some excellent “state of the organization” type articles. Also it has by far the best and most knowledgeable message boards. If you want reporting, go to a beat reporter. If you want rumors, you’re probably best off going to MLBTR.

 

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33 minutes ago, Luke-OH said:

Well, this tweet is just an opinion on what the Orioles should do so it’s as valid as anyone’s opinion. I happen to agree. 

As far as a legit source of things, as a source of Orioles statistical analysis, it’s as good of a source as any (although they are closing up shop shortly). I think this site (OH) does a better job with prospects and covering the minors leagues and the draft as well as some excellent “state of the organization” type articles. Also it has by far the best and most knowledgeable message boards. If you want reporting, go to a beat reporter. If you want rumors, you’re probably best off going to MLBTR.

 

Thanks Luke.  

I'm fully aware of the OH's knowledge and resources.  I guess what I was asking (and you answered) is if a tweet from Camden Depot was like a tweet from Ken Rosenthal, or a tweet from MoscowBird.  (yeah, I still remember my old friend!)  

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8 hours ago, sportsfan8703 said:

Gausman and Joseph for OF Happ, C Carratini, C/OF Amaya(#10)SP Lange(#5) and  2B Bote (#14). 

Random fact - Ian Happ and Austin Hays were teammates and housemates in the Cape Cod league a couple of summers ago.

* Source - vague recollection of TV segment on Cape league.

** Use of the word "fact" in no way implies that this is factually correct, rather only that I believe it to be true. As has been the case so many times in my marriage - and in my last marriage - differentiating "facts" from "things I believe" can only be achieved by people other than myself.

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35 minutes ago, Luke-OH said:

Well, this tweet is just an opinion on what the Orioles should do so it’s as valid as anyone’s opinion. I happen to agree. 

As far as a legit source of things, as a source of Orioles statistical analysis, it’s as good of a source as any (although they are closing up shop shortly). I think this site (OH) does a better job with prospects and covering the minors leagues and the draft as well as some excellent “state of the organization” type articles. Also it has by far the best and most knowledgeable message boards. If you want reporting, go to a beat reporter. If you want rumors, you’re probably best off going to MLBTR.

 

 

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1 minute ago, Dipper9 said:

Thanks Luke.  

I'm fully aware of the OH's knowledge and resources.  I guess what I was asking (and you answered) is if a tweet from Camden Depot was like a tweet from Ken Rosenthal, or a tweet from MoscowBird.  (yeah, I still remember my old friend!)  

MoscowBird

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Thanks Luke.  

I'm fully aware of the OH's knowledge and resources.  I guess what I was asking (and you answered) is if a tweet from Camden Depot was like a tweet from Ken Rosenthal, or a tweet from MoscowBird.  (yeah, I still remember my old friend!)  

He’s not nearly as well sourced as Rosenthal, but breaking stories isn’t his deal.

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