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I can't scout so I have no idea what I'm talking about. 

1. Adley Rutschman
2. DL Hall
3. Ryan Mountcastle
4. Grayson Rodriguez
5. Yusniel Diaz
6. Michael Baumann
7. Dean Kremer
8. Gunnar Henderson
9. Zac Lowther
10. Adam Hall

11. Drew Rom
12. Alex Wells
13. Rylan Bannon
14. Cody Sedlock
15. Ryan McKenna
16. Bruce Zimmermann
17. Gray Fenter
18. Johnny Rizer
19. Toby Welk
20. Keegan Akin

21. Cadyn Grenier
22. Yorkislandy Alvarez
23. Mason McCoy
24. Stiven Acevedo
25. Adam Stauffer
26. Jake Prizina
27. Ryan Wilson
28. Dan Hammer
29. Isaac Bellony
30. Davis Tavarez

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8 hours ago, Spl51 said:

1. Adley Rutschman

2. DL Hall

3. Ryan Mountcastle

4. Grayson Rodriguez

5. Yusniel Diaz

6. Austin Hays

7. Michael Baumann 

8. Dean Kremer

9. Gunnar Henderson

10. Keegan Akin

11. Lowther

12. Adam Hall

13. Harvey

14. Stowers

15. Hernaiz

16. Rom

17. Wells

18. Bannon

19. Sedlock

20. McKenna

21. Watson

22. Hanifee

23. Zimmmerman

24. Knight

25. Prado

26. Pop

27. Fenter

28. Rizer

29. Welk

30. Cumberland

 

I’ve seen on more than one list - Akin ahead of Lowther? I’m surprised to see that.

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2 hours ago, Tony-OH said:

Looking at these lists reminds me how smart and informed you guys are here at the Hangout. Lots of good lists and although ours will differ a bit, a lot of the same names will be in there. Great job so far guys!

100% agree with this.

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23 minutes ago, TheOtherRipken said:

I’ve seen on more than one list - Akin ahead of Lowther? I’m surprised to see that.

Akin might be right there. He  fought the MLB baseball. That said, Lowther is pretty much the same age and if he can handle AAA better he is better. 

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1.  AR

2.  Hall

3. Rodriguez 

4. Mountcastle

5. Hays

6. Diaz

7. Harvey

8. Baumann

9. Kremer

10. Gunnar

11.  Lowther

12.  Adam Hall

13.  Wells

14.  Akin

15.  Zimmerman

16.  Rom

17.  Tate

18. Stowers

19. Sedlock

20.  Watson

21.  Fenter

22. Stauffer

23. Hernaiz

24.  Bannon 

25. McCoy 

26.  Hammar

27. L. Rodriguez

28. Roth

29. S. Acevedo 

30. McKenna 

Just missed... Cumberland, Carmona, Wilson, Neustrom, Knight, Welk, Rizer, N. Romero, I. Bellony, Alvarado, Pop 

Top draft pool, Top international bonus pool, sell off 2.0, this system could become elite real fast.  

 

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16 hours ago, Tony-OH said:

Looking at these lists reminds me how smart and informed you guys are here at the Hangout. Lots of good lists and although ours will differ a bit, a lot of the same names will be in there. Great job so far guys!

Well, for the most part, we are going off of information provided to us by you and Luke, supplemented by whatever we see on milbtv or following our minor league teams. So, you guys should think that our lists are pretty good.

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13 hours ago, weams said:

Akin might be right there. He  fought the MLB baseball. That said, Lowther is pretty much the same age and if he can handle AAA better he is better. 

Reading some prior comments by Akin and the Holt interview yesterday, I think Akin’s struggles resulted from the team forcing him out of his comfort zone in relying more on secondary stuff and being less predictable in his patterns.   This looks like a case of taking a step back in order to take two steps forward.    I think some of Hall’s command issues were caused by the same thing.   I’m really looking forward to seeing how those two perform in 2020.

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48 minutes ago, Frobby said:

Reading some prior comments by Akin and the Holt interview yesterday, I think Akin’s struggles resulted from the team forcing him out of his comfort zone in relying more on secondary stuff and being less predictable in his patterns.   This looks like a case of taking a step back in order to take two steps forward.    I think some of Hall’s command issues were caused by the same thing.   I’m really looking forward to seeing how those two perform in 2020.

Likewise. I think Akin can be something. 

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1. Adley Rutschman

2. DL Hall

3. Grayson Rodriguez

4. Ryan Mountcastle

5. Michael Baumann

6. Dean Kremer

7. Austin Hays

8. Yusniel Diaz 

9. Hunter Harvey

10. Gunnar Henderson

11. Keegan Akin

12. Zac Lowther

13. Adam Hall

14. Alex Wells

15. Drew Rom

16. Cody Sedlock

17. Rylan Bannon

18. L. Rodriguez

19. Toby Welk

20. Johnny Rizer

21. Dillon Tate

22. Bruce Zimmerman

23. Adam Stauffer

24. Drew Fenter

25. Elio Prado

26. Darell Hernaiz

27. Zach Pop

28. Dan Hammer

29. Zach Watson

30. Jake Prizina

**31. Harris Yett

 

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4 minutes ago, Philip said:

Question:

 Given two guys with the same skill set(Or perhaps the same FV would be a better way to describe them) would you rank the younger one ahead? Or would you rank the one who is at the higher level ahead? 

I am probably middle of the pack knowledgeable so I reserve the right to be wrong - but I always view rankings as a measure of risk. If a prospect is more of a “sure thing” as much as they can be at AAA then the ranking has a chance of being higher than a similar FV prospect at a lower level. A prospect in the DSL is so far from the majors that the risk level of them making it is much higher than a AAA prospect - thats totally in a vacuum of course.

There are risk factors: Age is a factor (higher age at a lower level vs younger age at a higher level), injury history,  how likely a player at the younger age is likely to grow or get better, and is there a standout skill that will play at higher levels or the majors.
 

Long story short I doubt you will get the same answer from anyone, but thats how I always look at it.

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54 minutes ago, Philip said:

Question:

 Given two guys with the same skill set(Or perhaps the same FV would be a better way to describe them) would you rank the younger one ahead? Or would you rank the one who is at the higher level ahead? 

Higher level, there are plenty of flaws that really only get exposed against advanced competition. It’s not an exact science projecting hit tool or command at lower levels. Because while there are physical, visible components (bat speed, looseness, swing path, pitcher’s mechanics and effort level) to each of those assessments, the ability to have command of all your pitches and have good pitch recognition/zone judgement isn’t really tested until the player faces advanced competition.

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A general prospect question:

Does anyone know of any guys who were like Carmona, Encarnacion, Sparks, etc. and put up bad hitting lines for a few years in the low minors but were toolsy enough to have potential and eventually put it all together and became successful big league hitters?

I can't think of any, but I'm sure they exist.

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