Undrafted Free Agent SIgnings?

[UpstateNYfan]

10 hours ago, Number5 said:

This isn't true.  Rounds 6-10 are roSo, the O'sunds that most often include guys signed to small bonuses, not just rounds 37-40.  That is what enables teams to sign over-slot guys.  The slot numbers for only the first 10 rounds are added up to get teams' total bonus pools.  Teams need to have under-slot guys in the first 10 rounds in order to have the money to sign over-slot guys.  That's why we see college seniors sign for amounts like $5K in rounds 6-10 most years.  Possibly even round 5 sometimes.  I'd say that some of these guys will actually sign for a little more this year than they would have in other years.

So, the average signing bonus for a 10th round pick in 2019 was about $150,000. so, you are saying 20K is not much difference than 20K? The O's sign an Overslot HS player in the 5th round for $1,000,000..not much different than the $10,000 now allowed. Check the numbers before you spew such unsupported crap. At least Weams said it was the last third of the draft.

[Number5]

3 hours ago, UpstateNYfan said:

So, the average signing bonus for a 10th round pick in 2019 was about $150,000. so, you are saying 20K is not much difference than 20K? The O's sign an Overslot HS player in the 5th round for $1,000,000..not much different than the $10,000 now allowed. Check the numbers before you spew such unsupported crap. At least Weams said it was the last third of the draft.

Unbelievable.

The Orioles' 10th round pick last year signed for $5K.  Every team has signings like that every year.  You should "check the numbers before spewing such unsupported crap."  Taking the "average" of a specific round is foolhardy, since million dollar signings skew the average and not every team is going to take their under-slot signings in the exact same round every year.  Last year the Orioles steep under-slot signings were in rounds 7 and 10.  In 2018 they were in rounds 9 and 10.  In 2017, they were in rounds 6, 7, 8, 9, and 10.  Every year.  Every team.  Look it up.

[UpstateNYfan]

6 hours ago, Number5 said:

Unbelievable.

The Orioles' 10th round pick last year signed for $5K.  Every team has signings like that every year.  You should "check the numbers before spewing such unsupported crap."  Taking the "average" of a specific round is foolhardy, since million dollar signings skew the average and not every team is going to take their under-slot signings in the exact same round every year.  Last year the Orioles steep under-slot signings were in rounds 7 and 10.  In 2018 they were in rounds 9 and 10.  In 2017, they were in rounds 6, 7, 8, 9, and 10.  Every year.  Every team.  Look it up.

Yes, indeed it is unbelievable. The Orioles, 2019 draft allotment for the 6th round (168 pick) was $301,600, the 10th round (288 pick) was $147,900. Did they have to pay that, no. If a 6th round pick signed for 20K, that means he had a lousy or no agent, did not expect to get drafted, was lacking skills, that Elias was just filling slots with anybody. When the 121st pick gets signed for a million and the 150th signs for 20k, there is something wrong. 

[dabirds]

2 hours ago, UpstateNYfan said:

Yes, indeed it is unbelievable. The Orioles, 2019 draft allotment for the 6th round (168 pick) was $301,600, the 10th round (288 pick) was $147,900. Did they have to pay that, no. If a 6th round pick signed for 20K, that means he had a lousy or no agent, did not expect to get drafted, was lacking skills, that Elias was just filling slots with anybody. When the 121st pick gets signed for a million and the 150th signs for 20k, there is something wrong. 

It was probably a college senior with no leverage.  All teams do this so they can spend more money on other picks.  After the 10th round you cannot go overslot, so you have to save money in the first 10 rounds if you want to go overslot with anyone you picked.

[Number5]

4 hours ago, UpstateNYfan said:

Yes, indeed it is unbelievable. The Orioles, 2019 draft allotment for the 6th round (168 pick) was $301,600, the 10th round (288 pick) was $147,900. Did they have to pay that, no. If a 6th round pick signed for 20K, that means he had a lousy or no agent, did not expect to get drafted, was lacking skills, that Elias was just filling slots with anybody. When the 121st pick gets signed for a million and the 150th signs for 20k, there is something wrong. 

I'm not sure what the disconnect is here.  Every team has under-slot signings every year in the first 10 rounds.  Senior signs that have no leverage.  After the 10th round there is not the benefit of being able to sign over-slot guys with the slot savings on the under-slot signings.  Only the slots for the first 10 rounds count toward the total slot allocation.  Perhaps if you followed my suggestion and actually looked it up you would see that what I am saying is true.  In the mean time, three times is enough for me to try to help you understand.  If you still don't get it and choose to go on blindly thinking that the reason that there are guys that sign for such small amounts every year is that they hired poor agents, knock yourself out.  I'm done with this.

[Frobby]

Here’s a new one:

“The Orioles have signed their fourth undrafted player, Duke University right-hander Thomas Girard.

“Girard, a reliever, was named a third-team Preseason All-American by D1Baseball and the National Collegiate Baseball Writers Association. He posted a 2.94 ERA with 13 saves and 94 strikeouts in 70 1/3 innings in three seasons at Duke. He had one walk and 23 strikeouts in 13 innings this year before the shutdown.“

https://www.masnsports.com/school-of-roch/2020/06/mayo-carries-weight-of-tragedy-through-his-baseball-journey.html

 

[weams]

48 minutes ago, Frobby said:

Here’s a new one:

“The Orioles have signed their fourth undrafted player, Duke University right-hander Thomas Girard.

“Girard, a reliever, was named a third-team Preseason All-American by D1Baseball and the National Collegiate Baseball Writers Association. He posted a 2.94 ERA with 13 saves and 94 strikeouts in 70 1/3 innings in three seasons at Duke. He had one walk and 23 strikeouts in 13 innings this year before the shutdown.“

https://www.masnsports.com/school-of-roch/2020/06/mayo-carries-weight-of-tragedy-through-his-baseball-journey.html

 

 

[weams]

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The Mets have signed third-round pick Anthony Walters for $20K, Jonathan Mayo of MLB.com tweets. It’s a stunningly low amount for a player whose pick, No. 91, was said to be worth $647,300. The total Walters received only matches the maximum sum an undrafted player can get this year. Walters, a former San Diego State shortstop, didn’t rank among Baseball America’s top 500 before the draft. However, Mayo observes that Walters brings “good hands” as a defender and “sneaky pop” at the plate.

• The Padres have inked fourth-rounder Levi Thomas for $80K, far below the $533K slot value of the 109th pick, Jim Callis of MLB.com reports. The right-hander from Troy “has an impressive history of throwing strikes and his fastball seems to have qualities that teams love,” Baseball America wrote in ranking Thomas as the 224th-best prospect in the 2020 class.
• The Nationals have reached a $20K agreement with fourth-round catcher Brady Lindsly, per Callis. The University of Oklahoma product, who was not one of BA’s top 500 prospects, did not expect to get drafted.

MLBTR.com

[BohKnowsBmore]

1 hour ago, Frobby said:

Here’s a new one:

“The Orioles have signed their fourth undrafted player, Duke University right-hander Thomas Girard.

“Girard, a reliever, was named a third-team Preseason All-American by D1Baseball and the National Collegiate Baseball Writers Association. He posted a 2.94 ERA with 13 saves and 94 strikeouts in 70 1/3 innings in three seasons at Duke. He had one walk and 23 strikeouts in 13 innings this year before the shutdown.“

https://www.masnsports.com/school-of-roch/2020/06/mayo-carries-weight-of-tragedy-through-his-baseball-journey.html

 

If I'm not missing something, looks like he was a Junior in 2020, which is interesting given the limits on the bonuses.

Also, another guy that played well at the Cape, albeit in a SSS: 7 IP, 3 SV, 2.57 ERA, 8K, 4 BB, 3 H, 1.00 WHIP

Some other notes on his tools:

https://www.dukechronicle.com/article/2020/06/duke-baseball-mlb-draft-undrafted-free-agent-matt-mervis-chicago-cubs

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Girard doesn't have great velocity on his fastball, hovering in the low 90s, but an impressive slider has helped him become one of the ACC's top relievers over the last couple of years. 

He's only 5'11" 180lb, so he's a little different than the other two pitchers the team has signed in the UDFA period.

[ScGO's]

Kind of a violent delivery, coils, hides the ball well, so some deception.  Gets to almost an OTT release point.  This may set up his offspeed fairly well.  Definitely a reliever.

[SteveA]

2 hours ago, BohKnowsBmore said:

If I'm not missing something, looks like he was a Junior in 2020, which is interesting given the limits on the bonuses.

Also, another guy that played well at the Cape, albeit in a SSS: 7 IP, 3 SV, 2.57 ERA, 8K, 4 BB, 3 H, 1.00 WHIP

Some other notes on his tools:

https://www.dukechronicle.com/article/2020/06/duke-baseball-mlb-draft-undrafted-free-agent-matt-mervis-chicago-cubs

He's only 5'11" 180lb, so he's a little different than the other two pitchers the team has signed in the UDFA period.

Under 6' RHP from Duke.   Obviously the next Marcus Stroman.

[cnmilton]

According to MLB Rumors, the Orioles have also signed Isaiah Kearns, RHP Pitt-Johnstown. I don't know anything about him, but saw the signing on their website.

[ScGO's]

40 minutes ago, cnmilton said:

According to MLB Rumors, the Orioles have also signed Isaiah Kearns, RHP Pitt-Johnstown. I don't know anything about him, but saw the signing on their website.

Nice a D2 guy. 6'2 235.  Big Kid.   Originally with West Virginia.  Here's quick look from when he was with WVU

 

[BohKnowsBmore]

1 hour ago, cnmilton said:

According to MLB Rumors, the Orioles have also signed Isaiah Kearns, RHP Pitt-Johnstown. I don't know anything about him, but saw the signing on their website.

 

49 minutes ago, ScGO's said:

Nice a D2 guy. 6'2 235.  Big Kid.   Originally with West Virginia.  Here's quick look from when he was with WVU

 

https://www.perfectgame.org/Players/PlayerProfile.aspx?ID=341306

Looks like he was throwing 92 in HS; having trouble finding any recent claims regarding his velo

https://www.mlb.com/news/thomas-girard-isaiah-kearns-deals-with-orioles

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Kearns emerged as a two-way star at Division II Pitt-Johnson this spring after spending his first two years at West Virginia, registering a 1.61 ERA on the mound and hitting four homers in 17 games. The 6-foot-2, 235-pound junior struck out 27 and walked four across four starts, totaling 22 1/3 innings. The Orioles view him exclusively as a pitcher.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=kearns000isa

Didn't have particular success on the Cape, but was able to maintain the high K/9 that he has recorded at other stops

 

[Number5]

https://www.tribdem.com/sports/pitt-johnstowns-kearns-inks-deal-with-orioles/article_14bb5202-b049-11ea-9258-4772df72535e.html

https://wvusports.com/sports/baseball/roster/isaiah-kearns/4193