Orioles To Select Vinny Nittoli (Now DFA'ed and a Free Agent)

[Frobby]

9 hours ago, Aristotelian said:

I had stopped watching by the time he pitched. Two shutout innings with a Soto double. Any eye test reports?

Stuff looked meh but he had good command and got several uncomfortable looking swings.   

[Sanity Check]

18 hours ago, wildcard said:

Easton Lucas.   Not really a big trade so far.

He also traded for Cano who has a throw in on the Povich deal.

When you say things that are not factually correct, you lose credibility, bro.  Cano was not a "throw in" in the Lopez deal; he was targeted as a player the Orioles wanted in return, not a player that the Twins "just decided to throw into the deal".  I know this for a fact from an Oriole minor league scout that scouts the minor league teams that the Orioles may consider dealing with.  Elias is way smarter than to just take throw-ins in trades.....if he's giving up value, he has a list of who he wants back based on information from the Orioles scouting team.  He won't take just anybody.

Uninformed, blanket statements like that are just nonsense, and more of an indication that you really have no sense as to the preliminary scouting process before deals are made, and how deals are negotiated and consummated.

[wildcard]

21 minutes ago, Sanity Check said:

When you say things that are not factually correct, you lose credibility, bro.  Cano was not a "throw in" in the Lopez deal; he was targeted as a player the Orioles wanted in return, not a player that the Twins "just decided to throw into the deal".  I know this for a fact from an Oriole minor league scout that scouts the minor league teams that the Orioles may consider dealing with.  Elias is way smarter than to just take throw-ins in trades.....if he's giving up value, he has a list of who he wants back based on information from the Orioles scouting team.  He won't take just anybody.

Uninformed, blanket statements like that are just nonsense, and more of an indication that you really have no sense as to the preliminary scouting process before deals are made, and how deals are negotiated and consummated.

You are talking about the O's side of the trade.  I am talking about the Twins side of the trade.   The Twins did not value Cano like a major part of the trade. Povich was the major player they were giving up.

[Aristotelian]

11 minutes ago, wildcard said:

You are talking about the O's side of the trade.  I am talking about the Twins side of the trade.   The Twins did not value Cano like a major part of the trade. Povich was the major player they were giving up.

He had a solid track record for the Twins and had advanced through AAA. He wasn't a random 16 year old. Clearly Povich was regarded as the better prospect and they valued Cano and Povich less than Jorge Lopez.

[Sanity Check]

13 minutes ago, wildcard said:

You are talking about the O's side of the trade.  I am talking about the Twins side of the trade.   The Twins did not value Cano like a major part of the trade. Povich was the major player they were giving up.

If you can show me evidence that the Twins organization actually said this, or felt this way, then I'll give you a pass.  I've never seen anything supporting that, other than assumptions made on this site. 

 

[LookitsPuck]

8 minutes ago, Aristotelian said:

He had a solid track record for the Twins and had advanced through AAA. He wasn't a random 16 year old. Clearly Povich was regarded as the better prospect and they valued Cano and Povich less than Jorge Lopez.

Maybe calling him a throw-in was a bit of an exaggeration, but I get the point the OP was making. A 28 year old reliever who got torched in the majors with a decent, but not great recent AAA SO/9 rate isn’t typically a highly sought after prototype. The O’s scouting and analytics team saw something they could correct. Good on them.

Edited July 14 by LookitsPuck

[wildcard]

1 hour ago, Sanity Check said:

If you can show me evidence that the Twins organization actually said this, or felt this way, then I'll give you a pass.  I've never seen anything supporting that, other than assumptions made on this site. 

 

Here is a Twins fan site that calls Cano an afterthought.    This is the way I have seen it talked about since the trade.    I don't care it you give me a pass or not but I do think he need to take back the crap you said about my post not be factual.

https://twinsdaily.com/news-rumors/minnesota-twins/yennier-cano-trade-baltimore/

[Just Regular]

I am glad the Orioles have gotten a ton of value from Cano and Coulombe, but I can't say I am excited for the matchup in a playoff series with Minnesota where they have the top five relievers they prioritized retaining, and guys they let go are pillars of our bullpen.

We'll know in 16 days, but hopefully Rob is correct about four new pitchers.    The Corbin Burnes mercenary solo show could use becoming a basketball team.

[HowAboutThat]

1 hour ago, Sanity Check said:

If you can show me evidence that the Twins organization actually said this, or felt this way, then I'll give you a pass.  I've never seen anything supporting that, other than assumptions made on this site. 

 

I see both sides of this sub-argument, but the main takeaway is that whether the twins valued Cano or not, and they obviously were willing to give him up, Mike specifically wanted him because he saw something that could be developed, and he was right.

So Mike DID value Cano; he wasn’t a throw-in, but a specific target. Good on him. 
And Mike has had many such gambles that paid off in multiples, and relatively few that were duds.

The obvious problem is that Mike is happy with these little gambles, but we are at the point in the team maturation process as well as in the season, where he needs to be willing to pay real prices for real value, where each team is fully aware of what is leaving and arriving.

And Mike sure hasn’t done that. What he has for sale is less desirable than what he wants, the price isn’t going down for the good stuff, and he won’t pay it, so we just picked up another freebie in Vinnie.

[wildcard]

46 minutes ago, HowAboutThat said:

I see both sides of this sub-argument, but the main takeaway is that whether the twins valued Cano or not, and they obviously were willing to give him up, Mike specifically wanted him because he saw something that could be developed, and he was right.

So Mike DID value Cano; he wasn’t a throw-in, but a specific target. Good on him. 
And Mike has had many such gambles that paid off in multiples, and relatively few that were duds.

The obvious problem is that Mike is happy with these little gambles, but we are at the point in the team maturation process as well as in the season, where he needs to be willing to pay real prices for real value, where each team is fully aware of what is leaving and arriving.

And Mike sure hasn’t done that. What he has for sale is less desirable than what he wants, the price isn’t going down for the good stuff, and he won’t pay it, so we just picked up another freebie in Vinnie.

I never said Elias considered Cano a throw in.    The Twins did.

[Roll Tide]

2 minutes ago, wildcard said:

I never said Elias considered Cano a throw in.    The Twins did.

The Twins or their fans? That’s 2 very different things. 

[wildcard]

6 minutes ago, Roll Tide said:

The Twins or their fans? That’s 2 very different things. 

Read the article.  There is plenty of logic there.

Edited July 14 by wildcard

[HowAboutThat]

26 minutes ago, wildcard said:

I never said Elias considered Cano a throw in.    The Twins did.

Yes I know. I think that’s exactly what I said. I didn’t accuse you of saying one thing or another.

[Roll Tide]

1 hour ago, wildcard said:

Read the article.  There is plenty of logic there.

It seems they are frustrated at their organization’s failure to develop guys and they go elsewhere and find success…again is it the fans? 

[HowAboutThat]

Nittoli was quite good in a SSS. Any chance we’ll see him again?