Trade Proposal: Santander for Snell

[terpoh]

20 minutes ago, Roll Tide said:

I would be shocked if Norby and Stowers both go this deadline 

I was referring to this deadline and also the offseason, heading into the 2025 season.

[HowAboutThat]

1 hour ago, Malike said:

He's getting a 3 year deal from someone and will be offered a QO.

OK, that’s fine, I’m not gonna die. I just remember  when Matt Wieters accepted, and buck shared the most hollow “Yay” ever heard.

I did not think he should’ve gotten one, but I’m certainly not going to argue about Santa, he’s a fine player, and if he were to accept, that’d be fine

[HowAboutThat]

1 hour ago, Aristotelian said:

I would be fine with that. If we have all of Santander, O'Hearn, Mountcastle, and Hays coming back next year we can always trade one (possibly even Santander). 

I think we are seeing right now how difficult it is to trade guys, so your confidence is perhaps not well-founded.

[Roll Tide]

19 minutes ago, terpoh said:

I was referring to this deadline and also the offseason, heading into the 2025 season.

Heard … I really don’t think Elias wants to deal Norby.

[Aristotelian]

1 minute ago, HowAboutThat said:

I think we are seeing right now how difficult it is to trade guys, so your confidence is perhaps not well-founded.

Are you assuming we are actively trying to trade guys off the MLB roster right now? I would say your opinion is perhaps not well founded 

[HowAboutThat]

1 hour ago, Malike said:

He might be attractive to the Giants too. They are always looking for offense.

Just to be clear, you think that Santa will be offered a QO and will turn it down, correct? You don’t think there’s any risk that he would accept and you think he definitely will get one. I understand that correctly?

If so, that’s fine, and I won’t be at all surprised if he does get one. I guess I wouldn’t be surprised if he declined it as well.

We shall see

[Roll Tide]

Just now, Aristotelian said:

Are you assuming we are actively trying to trade guys off the MLB roster right now? I would say your opinion is perhaps not well founded 

I don’t know what Elias is thinking. We’ve speculated that he’d trade off some combination of Urias, Hays, Mateo, etc for more than a year. It hard to find playing time for guys unless you are clearing the replacement level vets. 

[HowAboutThat]

Just now, Aristotelian said:

Are you assuming we are actively trying to trade guys off the MLB roster right now? I would say your opinion is perhaps not well founded 

I think we are actively trying to trade guys, and we are actively not succeeding.

I have no idea who we are trying to trade, but I would imagine that some of the guys on the active roster are being shopped.

if a team is interested in Mountcastle by golly, Mike’s gonna listen to what they have to say.

[Roll Tide]

1 minute ago, HowAboutThat said:

Just to be clear, you think that Santa will be offered a QO and will turn it down, correct? You don’t think there’s any risk that he would accept and you think he definitely will get one. I understand that correctly?

If so, that’s fine, and I won’t be at all surprised if he does get one. I guess I wouldn’t be surprised if he declined it as well.

We shall see

I think he will and decline …. I think someone will pay him $12-$15 per season on a 3 to 4 year deal. Probably a higher revenue team where that money really doesn’t matter.

[Aristotelian]

1 minute ago, HowAboutThat said:

I think we are actively trying to trade guys, and we are actively not succeeding.

I have no idea who we are trying to trade, but I would imagine that some of the guys on the active roster are being shopped.

if a team is interested in Mountcastle by golly, Mike’s gonna listen to what they have to say.

I disagree. Elias might trade someone off the MLB roster if someone were to make an offer he can't refuse. I think we are in the market for pitching, ideally using prospects outside our top four. I don't expect anything until closer to the deadline. The fact nothing has happened does not mean it's a difficult market.

[terpoh]

15 minutes ago, Roll Tide said:

Heard … I really don’t think Elias wants to deal Norby.

You could very well be correct. I do think Norby is our best real trade piece- meaning outside of the top 4 who arent going anywhere and still having value- and he is mostly blocked right now unless we do trade several veterans this offseason.

[HowAboutThat]

11 minutes ago, Aristotelian said:

I disagree. Elias might trade someone off the MLB roster if someone were to make an offer he can't refuse. I think we are in the market for pitching, ideally using prospects outside our top four. I don't expect anything until closer to the deadline. The fact nothing has happened does not mean it's a difficult market.

Well, nothing has happened, and we don’t have  many concrete facts, so there’s a lot of speculation going on, but it makes sense that if you have a replaceable piece, that piece should be available in trade, and Mountcastle is replaceable.

[Aristotelian]

12 minutes ago, HowAboutThat said:

Well, nothing has happened, and we don’t have  many concrete facts, so there’s a lot of speculation going on, but it makes sense that if you have a replaceable piece, that piece should be available in trade, and Mountcastle is replaceable.

I can guarantee you Elias is not trying to get rid of Mountcastle. If he was, there are tons of teams who would love a 120 OPS+ 1B for $3.5M. It is possible he would trade Mountcastle for value in return but that is completely different from what I am talking about should we get stuck with a Santander QO.

[HowAboutThat]

9 minutes ago, Aristotelian said:

I can guarantee you Elias is not trying to get rid of Mountcastle. If he was, there are tons of teams who would love a 120 OPS+ 1B for $3.5M. It is possible he would trade Mountcastle for value in return but that is completely different from what I am talking about should we get stuck with a Santander QO.

He certainly has value, I think we’re talking about two different trading periods. I think you’re talking about the off-season, I’m talking about right now, but whatever happens will happen and I just want to win the World Series so let’s hope Mike does the right things whatever those things are

[OriolesMagic83]

2 hours ago, HowAboutThat said:

I think we are seeing right now how difficult it is to trade guys, so your confidence is perhaps not well-founded.

Preller seems to have no problems.  Maybe it's an Elias problem.