A Different Way of Thinking About the Trade Deadline

[Aristotelian]

Most of the trade deadline threads are focused on the buy side: what players are available, and what would we have to give up to get them. What if we were to think about the market on the sell side: what assets do we have that would be more efficiently allocated to another team, and what is the max we can get for them. 

For example:

Billy Cook for a medium leverage reliever rental.

Norby for a rental closer, controlled medium leverage reliver, or mid rotation starter. 

Kjerstad for an ace rental or 1+ years of mid rotation starter. 

Then think about who would fit on the buy side. 

 

[thegardner]

Norby (excellent player) is the guy to move, where does he fit with Holiday, Westburg and Mayo?

[Sports Guy]

1 minute ago, thegardner said:

Norby (excellent player) is the guy to move, where does he fit with Holiday, Westburg and Mayo?

Way way way behind them

[oriolediehard]

I am not sure that Elias wants to trade a lot of prospects from his rebuilding progress project.  He is looking long term to not trade a lot for the moment.  Have trust in Elias! For me I want to win now!!

[Aristotelian]

2 hours ago, thegardner said:

Norby (excellent player) is the guy to move, where does he fit with Holiday, Westburg and Mayo?

This is my thinking as well. If Norby is the obvious guy who we are motivated to move, what are deals we could build around him that would help the team? 

[interloper]

Norby in a package for Fedde makes some sense to me. 

[HowAboutThat]

3 hours ago, Aristotelian said:

Most of the trade deadline threads are focused on the buy side: what players are available, and what would we have to give up to get them. What if we were to think about the market on the sell side: what assets do we have that would be more efficiently allocated to another team, and what is the max we can get for them. 

For example:

Billy Cook for a medium leverage reliever rental.

Norby for a rental closer, controlled medium leverage reliver, or mid rotation starter. 

Kjerstad for an ace rental or 1+ years of mid rotation starter. 

Then think about who would fit on the buy side. 

 

Ha! I started to post exactly the same topic this morning, but decided against it, because I didn’t think I had enough information.
Instead of thinking about what a particular target would cost, thinking about what we could get with what we are willing to sell is a fascinating question.

There was an article this morning on MLB trade rumors about the scarcity of middle infielders available, and it made me wonder whether Norby might be more desirable.

According to the article, the Red Sox, Dodgers, Giants, Royals, Yankees((haha at trade with NY) and Mariners need a competent middle infielder, and the Mariners would love to have Norby, I’m sure.

from the article( members only):

“Chisholm and Rengifo provide more upside on the other side of the bag. Chisholm should still be an above-average defender at second who provides at least solid offense. Rengifo can hit. He’s a switch-hitter who’s carrying a personal-best .315/.358/.442 slash line with 22 stolen bases through 269 plate appearances. He’ll give back a few runs with the glove, but he’s probably the best pure hitter on the infield market. The Angels control Rengifo through arbitration for another season and seem to prefer to focustheir attention on dealing rentals, but it’d be a mistake not to sell high on Rengifo this summer if he’s healthy.

Beyond that, the available options are uninspiring. Rodgers is a former third overall pick and top prospect who has never developed offensively. He has a middling .306 on-base percentage and .383 slugging mark this year despite playing half his games at Coors Field. Rodgers hasn’t hit at all outside of Denver (.208/.247/.312 in 162 plate appearances). Other teams could have modest interest based on his glove and one-time prospect stock, but demand could be muted enough that the Rockies don’t find an offer to their liking. (Colorado certainly isn’t moving Ezequiel Tovar, whom they signed to be their franchise shortstop.)“

With that in mind, Norby would be huge for several teams, even without being part of a package.

[Aristotelian]

13 minutes ago, HowAboutThat said:

Ha! I started to post exactly the same topic this morning, but decided against it, because I didn’t think I had enough information.
Instead of thinking about what a particular target would cost, thinking about what we could get with what we are willing to sell is a fascinating question.

There was an article this morning on MLB trade rumors about the scarcity of middle infielders available, and it made me wonder whether Norby might be more desirable.

According to the article, the Red Sox, Dodgers, Giants, Royals, Yankees((haha at trade with NY) and Mariners need a competent middle infielder, and the Mariners would love to have Norby, I’m sure.

from the article( members only):

“Chisholm and Rengifo provide more upside on the other side of the bag. Chisholm should still be an above-average defender at second who provides at least solid offense. Rengifo can hit. He’s a switch-hitter who’s carrying a personal-best .315/.358/.442 slash line with 22 stolen bases through 269 plate appearances. He’ll give back a few runs with the glove, but he’s probably the best pure hitter on the infield market. The Angels control Rengifo through arbitration for another season and seem to prefer to focustheir attention on dealing rentals, but it’d be a mistake not to sell high on Rengifo this summer if he’s healthy.

Beyond that, the available options are uninspiring. Rodgers is a former third overall pick and top prospect who has never developed offensively. He has a middling .306 on-base percentage and .383 slugging mark this year despite playing half his games at Coors Field. Rodgers hasn’t hit at all outside of Denver (.208/.247/.312 in 162 plate appearances). Other teams could have modest interest based on his glove and one-time prospect stock, but demand could be muted enough that the Rockies don’t find an offer to their liking. (Colorado certainly isn’t moving Ezequiel Tovar, whom they signed to be their franchise shortstop.)“

With that in mind, Norby would be huge for several teams, even without being part of a package.

Agreed. Stowers is another guy I think could have way more value to other teams than to us. Norby for a starter and Stowers for a bullpen arm are frameworks for deals we can reasonably expect, IMO.

[HowAboutThat]

5 minutes ago, Aristotelian said:

Agreed. Stowers is another guy I think could have way more value to other teams than to us. Norby for a starter and Stowers for a bullpen arm are frameworks for deals we can reasonably expect, IMO.

Norby and Stowers should get a genuinely good pitcher from Seattle. And god knows Seattle would love them both

[interloper]

40 minutes ago, HowAboutThat said:

Norby and Stowers should get a genuinely good pitcher from Seattle. And god knows Seattle would love them both

Scott is such a logical trade that I'm kind of wondering why it hasn't already happened. 

[Greg Pappas]

I don't know whether Norby is viewed as a viable defender at 2B.

[HowAboutThat]

18 minutes ago, interloper said:

Scott is such a logical trade that I'm kind of wondering why it hasn't already happened. 

You mean Tanner Scott? I’ve made my feelings about that trade clear, but we shouldn’t have to pay much for him, certainly not Norby and Stowers.

[HowAboutThat]

15 minutes ago, Greg Pappas said:

I don't know whether Norby is viewed as a viable defender at 2B.

This is Norby’s scouting report. He’s listed as MLB’s 9th ranked 2B prospect. That may be wrong, but it looks encouraging.

“Norby isn’t a burner, but he isn’t a clogger either, with average speed and the ability to sneak a stolen base when the opportunity presents itself. He’s a capable defender at second base and athletic enough to handle left field as he has increasingly at the higher levels, with an average arm that works fine at both spots. ”

[Aristotelian]

19 minutes ago, Greg Pappas said:

I don't know whether Norby is viewed as a viable defender at 2B.

He definitely isn't an elite prospect. But nobody is trading a Holliday or Basallo type for Fedde or Anderson. Norby should have value to a team in need of a bat. I believe he was a fringe top 100 prospect at one point and I don't think he has done anything to lose value.

[Greg Pappas]

2 minutes ago, Aristotelian said:

He definitely isn't an elite prospect. But nobody is trading a Holliday or Basallo type for Fedde or Anderson. Norby should have value to a team in need of a bat. I believe he was a fringe top 100 prospect at one point and I don't think he has done anything to lose value.

I'm not questioning his bat or prospect status, just his viability to play 2B successfully.