Lohse signs with Brewers

[weams]

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/blog/eye-on-baseball/21948086

[hoosiers]

So the Os move up one spot in the draft because the Brewers forfeit their pick.

It will be interesting to see if/when Milwaukee does not compete if they are able to trade Lohse for more than the equivalent of a mid-first round pick. I expect that will be the case unless Lohse falls off a cliff production-wise.

[Can_of_corn]

I just hope this isn't going to be spun as some huge Boras victory. He was publicly asking for 3/45 and ended up on a non-frontrunner in a smaller market for 3/33.

Lohse ended up doing OK but this isn't a big win.

[Il BuonO]

So, as I said he signed a deal for less than the annual per year salary of the qualifying offer.

[Can_of_corn]

Adam McCalvy ‏

Lohse gets $4mm in 2013 w/ $7mm deferred to '16-'18, then $11mm in each of '14 and '15. #Brewers

So only 4 million this year and the actual value of the deal is under 33 million.

[murph]

I just hope this isn't going to be spun as some huge Boras victory. He was publicly asking for 3/45 and ended up on a non-frontrunner in a smaller market for 3/33.

Lohse ended up doing OK but this isn't a big win.

I agree about not wanting Boras to get anymore props...but really it was the draft pick that cost the dollars in this case, don't you think? I am actually surprised he even got multiple years.

[Can_of_corn]

I agree about not wanting Boras to get anymore props...but really it was the draft pick that cost the dollars in this case, don't you think? I am actually surprised he even got multiple years.

I think his contract demands, his age, and his peripherals were more of an issue then the draft pick.

[murph]

I think his contract demands, his age, and his peripherals were more of an issue then the draft pick.

Probably a large part of it, but we have seen plenty of players with poor contract demands, age issues and poor peripherals....who have also signed contracts for more than that players actual value (especially Boras players).....well before the end of spring training. This is just the first year I have seen someone with numbers like Lohse go unsigned for this long....that I can remember.

Regardless, I still feel Lohse got screwed here somehow.

[Can_of_corn]

Probably a large part of it, but we have seen plenty of players with poor contract demands, age issues and poor peripherals....who have also signed contracts for more than that players actual value (especially Boras players).....well before the end of spring training. This is just the first year I have seen someone with numbers like Lohse go unsigned for this long....that I can remember.

Regardless, I still feel Lohse got screwed here somehow.

I saw some numbers a few days ago showing that he wasn't been worth 3/45 at any point in his career. I find it hard to believe he will start now. I expect his numbers to drop off, pretty significantly by year three.

I think he might have gotten 3/33 earlier then he did without having the pick attached to him but I don't think 3/45 was going to happen.

[weams]

I agree about not wanting Boras to get anymore props...but really it was the draft pick that cost the dollars in this case, don't you think? I am actually surprised he even got multiple years.

No, because a good agent would have had him take the qualifying offer. And then when the Cardinals traded him, hold the new team up for ransom.

[weams]

I think his contract demands, his age, and his peripherals were more of an issue then the draft pick.

I absolutely agree. Also that fact that he was a fluke last season. This would be a good template for a Hammel deal.

[murph]

I saw some numbers a few days ago showing that he wasn't been worth 3/45 at any point in his career. I find it hard to believe he will start now. I expect his numbers to drop off, pretty significantly by year three.

I think he might have gotten 3/33 earlier then he did without having the pick attached to him but I don't think 3/45 was going to happen.

I do understand and even with his age, I feel if the Yankee's or Redsox of past or the Dodger's of now were severely pitching strapped, I think Lohse with his past two solid years would have gone for more years and more money....worth it or not. So, yes, not just the pick, but I still feel Lohse did not get what he would have gotten in a "normal" market place.

I cannot remember a close to prime pitcher with his consistent solid numbers signing until almost April in the past.....

[murph]

I absolutely agree. Also that fact that he was a fluke last season. This would be a good template for a Hammel deal.

But, it has been two years, two years sub 3.5 ERA and 1.2 WHIP. I am no sabermetrician, but were his peripherals that bad?

[Can_of_corn]

But, it has been two years, two years sub 3.5 ERA and 1.2 WHIP. I am no sabermetrician, but were his peripherals that bad?

He was pretty good last year but in 2011 he had an ERA+ of 109 which while above average is nothing special. He also had a K rate of 5.3. In 2012, at the age of 33 he lowered his hit and walk rate and increased his K rate. I can see why teams would be skeptical of that trend continuing.

[murph]

He was pretty good last year but in 2011 he had an ERA+ of 109 which while above average is nothing special. He also had a K rate of 5.3. In 2012, at the age of 33 he lowered his hit and walk rate and increased his K rate. I can see why teams would be skeptical of that trend continuing.

I see that and I agree that is wise and sound thinking, just not used to it from MLB GM's with open pocketbooks. Just wasn't his year I guess....just feel sort of bad for him, if you can feel bad for a multi-millioniare.