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They didn't have the DH in 1983? We won a WS back then. The DH was instituted in 1973. five man pitching rotations weren't uniformly accepted as they are now and the same with the BP.

If you are arbitrarily going to call the modern era when they started having a WC team for the playoffs then does it change next year when they go to more extensive video replay? How about post modern?

I think it's widely accepted that the Deadball Era was from 1900-1919 and after that is considered the modern era primarily because of the ball. Any rules changes have been incremental to the game itself and how it's played. Playoff format changes nothing about the game. However, when the ball became more lively, everything changed.

Drungo could probably give more insight than I can historically but weams is closer than you realize for what most people who know the history of the game would consider the "modern era".

Actually, I think were still in what many consider the steroid era. That will likely start a whole other thread. :rolleyes:

I don't know when the modern era began, but in the 60's we had the best pitchers and the best hitters overall, IMO. After that we made major changes in the game, lowering the mound, shrinking the strike zone, shrinking the parks, juicing the ball, expanding, adding the DH and the WC (not to mention ignoring PED's). So I would say it began after Bob Gibson's 1.12 ERA season in 1968.
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I don't know when the modern era bean, but in the 60's we had the best pitchers and the best hitters overall, IMO. After that we made major changes in the game, lowering the mound, shrinking the strike zone, shrinking the parks, juicing the ball, expanding, adding the DH and the WC (not to mention ignoring PED's). So I would say it began after Bob Gibson's 1.12 ERA season in 1968.

That would be be a good point of reference because like I said the rule actually had an impact on the game. Lowering the mound again took away the advantage that many people thought the pitchers had gained.

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Modern era? When did that start?
Thanks. I thought it was ~ 1900.

1901 is the generally accepted "modern" era of major league baseball (the first year of the American League, and two years before the first World Series between the 2 current leagues.)

It is why Rogers Hornsby's .424 batting average for the Cardinals in 1924 is widely recognized as the highest batting average ever for a National Leaguer, even though Hugh Duffy batted .438 for the Boston Beaneaters in 1894. Nap Lajoie batted .426 (previously listed as .422 before being amended) for the Philadelphia Athletics in 1901 for the American League record.

This is a book from The Sporting News archives, celebrating 100 years of modern baseball, from 1901-2000:

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http://www.amazon.com/Baseball-100-Years-Modern-1901-2000/dp/B001QRZX8A

Another reference point for the "modern" era is 1920, the first season of the "Live Ball" era.

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That would be be a good point of reference because like I said the rule actually had an impact on the game. Raising the mound again took away the advantage that many people thought the pitchers had gained.

I'm sorry, I don't understand what you are saying here. Lowering the mound had the impact of reducing the pitcher's advantage. Are you saying that they raised it back and that reduced the pitcher's advantage? First, I hadn't heard that they raised it back and, second, I seriously doubt that raising the mound would hurt the pitchers.

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How many has the O's won in the modern era? How many Pennants have the O's won in the modern era? None. Tampa has one.

And TB got beat by a team with a huge payroll. How many WS has TB won? How many has the Phillies, Yankees, and Red Sox won? Like it or not, teams that spend more money have a better shot at winning it all.

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Most teams have not won a world series since Tampa has had a team, including the Rays themselves. There have been 16 seasons (1998-2013), and there have been several multiple winners, so obviously more than half of the teams have not won a world series in that time.

His original statement that I was responding to seemed to read since the Orioles joined MLB, but he has now stated that he meant the Rays. The word "they" could mean either, though in the context of the sentence, it certainly appeared to refer to the Orioles.

Since the main context was the Rays, I figured it was self explanatory who I meant. Obviously as an Oriole fan, I know how many WS the O's have won. However, being 6 when they last won one, it is hard to imagine three.

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Since the main context was the Rays, I figured it was self explanatory who I meant. Obviously as an Oriole fan, I know how many WS the O's have won. However, being 6 when they last won one, it is hard to imagine three.

I have no idea why you want to continue this. I know now that you meant the Rays, only because your later post said so. At the time I first read your post, the phrase "than the Orioles since they joined MLB" seemed to indicate to me that the word "they" referred to the Orioles, hence my response. When you then said that you meant the Rays, I thought that you simply inadvertently used a confusing pronoun, but you are now saying that you actually reviewed the sentence and made the considered decision to do so, and that any reader who takes it the other way is somehow wrong. Wow.

Peter and Paul went to the store, and he bought a banana. I know which "he" I mean, so it must be your fault if you don't know whether Peter or Paul bought the banana. :rofl:

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I have no idea why you want to continue this. I know now that you meant the Rays, only because your later post said so. At the time I first read your post, the phrase "than the Odrioles since they joined MLB" seemed to indicate to me that the word "they" referred to the Orioles, hence my response. When you then said that you meant the Rays, I thought that you simply inadvertently used a confusing pronoun, but you are now saying that you actually reviewed the sentence and made the considered decision to do so, and that any reader who takes it the other way is somehow wrong. Wow.

Peter and Paul went to the store, and he bought a banana. I know which "he" I mean, so it must be your fault if you don't know whether Peter or Paul bought the banana. :rofl:

Yet you were the only one confused by it. You ask me why I'm continuing this? Because you acted like a smartass in your original response, and you continue to do so. I never once changed what I meant. You just can't accept your reading comprehension was off. Since were nitpicking "Orioles" doesn't have a "d" in it.

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Peter Angelos is quite healthy for a soon to be 85 year old. Agreed? Do you think he has a five year plan?

I think PA wants to win. I just don't think he puts as much money as he can into that. Thats his right as an owner. But as a fan, who can't be discouraged by that. Some fans have grown used to it. Some haven't.

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I think PA wants to win. I just don't think he puts as much money as he can into that. Thats his right as an owner. But as a fan, who can't be discouraged by that. Some fans have grown used to it. Some haven't.

I bet somewhere in that complex mind, he wishes that he could bring a trophy home. DO you think so? Or does he just want to play out his years as a cheapskate?

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I'm sorry, I don't understand what you are saying here. Lowering the mound had the impact of reducing the pitcher's advantage. Are you saying that they raised it back and that reduced the pitcher's advantage? First, I hadn't heard that they raised it back and, second, I seriously doubt that raising the mound would hurt the pitchers.

It was late, I misspoke. I meant lowering. Good catch.

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