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Back in 2006ish we went to dinner at the Oregon Grill. Me and My family were seated next to an empty table in the corner. 10 minutes later we saw Flanny come in and sit down at the table and order a drink. Another 10 minutes passed and *drum roll* in walks Peter Angelos. Flanny stands up and greets Mr. Angelos.

As we started to eat, we heard Flanny talk to Peter that Tejada was not happy. Peter replies to something as: he is making $12MM how can not be happy? Flanny was trying to tell him that he was not happy because the team was not adding big name players around him. The whole time Angelos just could not get past how someone making $12MM was and could be NOT HAPPY.

This is 100% true. I am not making this up. As my older brother reminded me of this over the holidays.

I kind of agree with Angelos here. How could Tejada not be happy making that much money playing a game.

Interesting that Angelos is donating so much money to get his and his families name on buildings. I guess he wants to leave some sort of legacy. Also interesting that he doesn't take a salary from the Orioles. Partners surely can't complain. They make a ton of money off the team and the executive works for free.

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I kind of agree with Angelos here. How could Tejada not be happy making that much money playing a game.

Interesting that Angelos is donating so much money to get his and his families name on buildings. I guess he wants to leave some sort of legacy. Also interesting that he doesn't take a salary from the Orioles. Partners surely can't complain. They make a ton of money off the team and the executive works for free.

Do you seriously not understand this?

PA misunderstood Flanny's definition of "happy" in this instance. PA assumed that happiness meant happy in general, as in he was happy about his life, his contract.

Flanny meant that Tejada was unhappy because the team was not making any moves to become a winner. Tejada cared about things other than the money he was making. PA failed to comprehend that, as he fails to comprehend copious other things about running a baseball team.

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Back in 2006ish we went to dinner at the Oregon Grill. Me and My family were seated next to an empty table in the corner. 10 minutes later we saw Flanny come in and sit down at the table and order a drink. Another 10 minutes passed and *drum roll* in walks Peter Angelos. Flanny stands up and greets Mr. Angelos.

As we started to eat, we heard Flanny talk to Peter that Tejada was not happy. Peter replies to something as: he is making $12MM how can not be happy? Flanny was trying to tell him that he was not happy because the team was not adding big name players around him. The whole time Angelos just could not get past how someone making $12MM was and could be NOT HAPPY.

This is 100% true. I am not making this up. As my older brother reminded me of this over the holidays.

I believe your story and thanks for posting it.

I take a couple of things from your story. One, Tejada sounds like he was a primma donna. Two, PA was probably trying to tell Flanagan that Tejada should be happy that he was making 12 million a year and that Flanagan should not let the players dictate who the team "adds" around him.

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I believe your story and thanks for posting it.

I take a couple of things from your story. One, Tejada sounds like he was a primma donna. Two, PA was probably trying to tell Flanagan that Tejada should be happy that he was making 12 million a year and that Flanagan should not let the players dictate who the team "adds" around him.

For being frustrated that the team sucked? PA paid him $12M, yes. And I imagine Miggy thought PA would bring in other players to support Miggy in making the mid 2000s Orioles a winning team. Why shouldn't he have been frustrated?

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For being frustrated that the team sucked? PA paid him $12M, yes. And I imagine Miggy thought PA would bring in other players to support Miggy in making the mid 2000s Orioles a winning team. Why shouldn't he have been frustrated?

Well I think that baseball owners were all colluding the year that Tejeda signed with the Orioles. The Orioles were the only team not colluding that year I believe. So Tejeda made big money that year thanks to the Orioles. He could have re-signed with the A's for significantly less if he was so concerned about winning.

I get that the fans want to win but if you sign for the most money you can get and then complain about the team not being better you only have your self to blame. Steroids were probably effecting Tejeda thinking.

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For being frustrated that the team sucked? PA paid him $12M, yes. And I imagine Miggy thought PA would bring in other players to support Miggy in making the mid 2000s Orioles a winning team. Why shouldn't he have been frustrated?

Excuse me, in the story he said that Tejada was unhappy not frustrated. I think that PA was surprised that someone making 12 million a year would be unhappy. After all, he appeared to be pretty happy when he signed the deal. Further, I think that his mesasge to Flanagan was that he should not let a high priced player influence his personnel decisions. I know that this is a bash Angelos thread, but we don't know the whole story behind this meeting. This is just my take on it. If they met at McDonald's instead of the Oregon Grill, that would have come across a s a bit "cheap" to me.

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Excuse me, in the story he said that Tejada was unhappy not frustrated. I think that PA was surprised that someone making 12 million a year would be unhappy. After all, he appeared to be pretty happy when he signed the deal. Further, I think that his mesasge to Flanagan was that he should not let a high priced player influence his personnel decisions. I know that this is a bash Angelos thread, but we don't know the whole story behind this meeting. This is just my take on it. If they met at McDonald's instead of the Oregon Grill, that would have come across a s a bit "cheap" to me.

Unhappy, not frustrated. Means the same thing in this context. He was "unhappy" that the team was not adding any impact players to help the Orioles win after Miguel had committed to six years with a franchise that, at the time, had not had a winning season since 1998. At this point, Miggy was the face of the franchise, and if anyone should have had an input on the Orioles bringing in players to help the team win, it would be Miggy.

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Unhappy, not frustrated. Means the same thing in this context. He was "unhappy" that the team was not adding any impact players to help the Orioles win after Miguel had committed to six years with a franchise that, at the time, had not had a winning season since 1998. At this point, Miggy was the face of the franchise, and if anyone should have had an input on the Orioles bringing in players to help the team win, it would be Miggy.

He signed the contract because of money. If he is so unhappy he could state I am willing to give up some of my salary so we can sign other star players. Angelos does plenty wrong you don't have make things seem like they are bad when they are not. If Angelos hired someone to his law firm for the highest salary in the business and then the attorney he hired complained that the law firm wasn't the best in the world and he told Angelos to hire better attorneys I am sure you would think the attorney was to blame.

The problem with Angelos not getting more good players effects the fans it shouldn't effected Tejeda. If Adam Jones complained after signing a team friendly contract that might hold some weight. But a free agent signing purely on whom paid him the most is very silly to complain.

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Unhappy, not frustrated. Means the same thing in this context. He was "unhappy" that the team was not adding any impact players to help the Orioles win after Miguel had committed to six years with a franchise that, at the time, had not had a winning season since 1998. At this point, Miggy was the face of the franchise, and if anyone should have had an input on the Orioles bringing in players to help the team win, it would be Miggy.

They were expected to sign Vlad the same off-season, but he kept putting them off until the Angels grabbed him. They did sign Javy Lopez. Tejada claimed that the O's had told him they were going to build around him. They scored 842 runs in 2004, and finished under their Pythagorean projection of 82-80. Tejada had every reason to be upset when they didn't add more good players. Whether or not it's his place to complain to ownership is another matter.

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Unhappy, not frustrated. Means the same thing in this context. He was "unhappy" that the team was not adding any impact players to help the Orioles win after Miguel had committed to six years with a franchise that, at the time, had not had a winning season since 1998. At this point, Miggy was the face of the franchise, and if anyone should have had an input on the Orioles bringing in players to help the team win, it would be Miggy.

I disagree, in this scenario Flanagan told PA that Tejada was unhappy, not frustrated. IMO, if Flangan told PA that Tejada was frustrated, his response may not have centered around money. Further, it was inferred that the unhappiness was the result of the Orioles not improving their team to Tejada's satisfaction.

I totally disagree with the bolded. Face of the franchise or not, management should not let a player have any major input on who the franchise brings in. I have no problem with the GM asking a player about a former teammate. However, The player's job is to play ball, not play GM or personnel director.

Perhaps, this unhappiness had something to do with Tejada's sometimes lax approach on the field.,

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I disagree, in this scenario Flanagan told PA that Tejada was unhappy, not frustrated. IMO, if Flangan told PA that Tejada was frustrated, his response may not have centered around money. Further, it was inferred that the unhappiness was the result of the Orioles not improving their team to Tejada's satisfaction.

I totally disagree with the bolded. Face of the franchise or not, management should not let a player have any major input on who the franchise brings in. I have no problem with the GM asking a player about a former teammate. However, The player's job is to play ball, not play GM or personnel director.

Perhaps, this unhappiness had something to do with Tejada's sometimes lax approach on the field.,

I do agree with some of what you are saying. A player should certainly not play GM and lobby for certain players to be signed (though it has happened in a lot of other sports, such as the Wade lobbying for Bosh and James in Miami). However, Tejada did have every right to be "unhappy"/sad/disappointed whatever you want to call it with the Orioles not supplementing their team with other quality players to build a winner.

I imagine Robinson Cano will be unhappy in a similar fashion if in 2016, the Mariners have not added any players to help him compete for a World Series in Seattle.

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So, the timing of this I think is significant. Tejada signed his big deal before the 2004 season. I believe this was the last time that the Orioles have ever opened up the wallets to sign elite talent in free agency. They also brought in Javy Lopez and Rafael Palmeiro.

In 2005 there was the illusion of contention for many months until Raffy-gate happened and we had the famous collapse.

By 2006 the illusion was gone, we were leaking talent, and ownership has seemingly been convinced that spending lots of money is not the way to go ever since. I can see why he would've been upset during that time.

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I often wonder, if Peter had kept his word, resign Moose, didn't knee jerk reaction and fired Johnson.

Maybe instead of 14 years of shame, we would have had several years of being on top and competing with the big boys.

No Angelo's has a two year ceiling with winning. Once Buck and Dan started getting the credit they deserved he has to become front and center. Hopefully we don't have 14 years of plague coming

Swing hard,just in case you hit something

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