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You can find him over on the Nats board with new name

Natmaculate. I got tired of the winning.Was so used to losingit became enjoyable I can't watch this team. I love that tPapelbon guy. I am kidding ofcourse.

Marty Feldman you ain't ;) but glad you are now mobile!

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The route that the Orioles are taking with Schoop is somewhat similar to the route that the Tigers took with Ron LeFlore back in 1974, 1975, and 1976.

Like Schoop, LeFlore was "force fed" as a starting position player. LeFlore had hit well at the minor league A-level in '74, but they skipped him over the AA-level, and he only played 9 GAMES at the AAA-level before being promoted to the Tigers that same year ...... as their starting centerfielder.

In that 1974 season, LeFlore was pretty bad offensively. His batting average was decent, but his OBP was only .302, and he struck out a lot.

More of the same occurred in 1975 (decent batting average, but a low OBP, and he struck out a lot.)

In 1976, LeFlore finally broke through, batting .316 with an OBP of .376, stealing 58 bases, and having a memorable 30-game hitting streak.

Additionally, LeFlore cut down on his strikeouts somewhat in 1976, but more significantly, his walk rate improved considerably.

Now ...... I'm not saying that Schoop will necessarily prosper offensively like LeFlore did in his 7-year prime from 1976-1982. And I understand that with LeFlore, the circumstances were different for 2 reasons:

A) Those 1974 and 1975 Tigers teams were awful, so the Tigers really didn't have a lot to lose by continually sending LeFlore out there over and over again until he succeeded. The 2014 Orioles, on the other hand, are in 1st place, and have a lot more at stake than did those Tigers teams that LeFlore played on in the mid-1970's.

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B) Leflore had spent several years in prison, and was already 26 years-old when the Tigers promoted him and plugged him into their starting lineup in 1974. Schoop, on the other hand, is only 21 years-old, and he also had a much more extensive minor league career than did LeFlore.

But ......... the force-feeding into the starting lineup of a player that had not hit well at the highest levels of the minors (LeFlore in fact, had virtually no career above the A-level in the minors) is what is similar, and why I find it interesting.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/l/lefloro01.shtml

Thanks for bearing with me. :o

Happy birthday, Ron LeFlore.

Schoop may not have the OBP that you had in your prime, but I am liking his growth in other areas (decent power, solid defense) as we continue to force-feed him as our starting 2nd baseman.

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(vs. D-RAYS, 6/26)

 

JONATHAN RUFINO JEZUS SCHOOP

JONATHAN RUFINO JEZUS SCHOOP

JONATHAN RUFINO JEZUS SCHOOP

JONATHAN RUFINO JEZUS SCHOOP

JONATHAN RUFINO JEZUS SCHOOP

JONATHAN RUFINO JEZUS SCHOOP

JONATHAN RUFINO JEZUS SCHOOP

 

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(vs. DODGERS, 7/05)

JONATHAN RUFINO JEZUS SCHOOP

JONATHAN RUFINO JEZUS SCHOOP

JONATHAN RUFINO JEZUS SCHOOP

JONATHAN RUFINO JEZUS SCHOOP

JONATHAN RUFINO JEZUS SCHOOP

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I'll say it again. Ill take Schoop right now over Cano.Sure, Cano is better for now..but Id much rather have Schoop going forward...and his contract is a lot better than Cano's.

The ASG is a popularity contest and not necessary a contest of the best MLB players, always has been, always will be. Not much we can do about it, unfortunately.

I see people get on him for lack of range, and yet, I see him in deep OF on flyballs, and even deep in foul territory.

I love his hands and arm, and his ability to turn the DP.

He is a threat with his bat, and hopefully, will continue to grow as a hitter.

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The ASG is a popularity contest and not necessary a contest of the best MLB players, always has been, always will be. Not much we can do about it, unfortunately.

I see people get on him for lack of range, and yet, I see him in deep OF on flyballs, and even deep in foul territory.

I love his hands and arm, and his ability to turn the DP.

He is a threat with his bat, and hopefully, will continue to grow as a hitter.

He's not a snub no matter how many Orioles fans complain he is. He's having a good year no doubt, but there are arguably 5 guys at 2B in the AL having better years. How many second basemen should be on the All Star team?

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I'll say it again. Ill take Schoop right now over Cano.Sure, Cano is better for now..but Id much rather have Schoop going forward...and his contract is a lot better than Cano's.

Cano is 9 years older than Schoop, so eventually Schoop will be the better player, if he stays healthy. I'd say Cano will likely be the better player for 2-3 years after this one. Right now for 2016, Cano's at 3.5 fWAR, Schoop is at 1.9.

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