(Almost) All Things Manny Machado....

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(AUGUST 21st)

 

Manny Machado was named American League Player of the Week.

 

https://twitter.com/masnRoch/status/899709620637323264

 

 

Machado batted .385/.370/.885 (10-for-26) with 4 Home Runs, 1 Double, 4 Runs Scored, and and 12 RBI's over 6 games during the week of 8/14 through 8/20.

 

https://twitter.com/Orioles/status/899709183242719234

 

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[ORIOLE33]

People seems to forget just how good Eddie Murray was.

This might be a dirty little secret, but Eddie was better than Cal.

[Frobby]

6 minutes ago, ORIOLE33 said:

People seems to forget just how good Eddie Murray was.

This might be a dirty little secret, but Eddie was better than Cal.

He was a better hitter, and much more clutch (not that Cal was unclutch, but Eddie was exceptional in that regard).     But you can't ignore that Cal was an outstanding defensive SS.   Cal was the better overall player when you factor that in.

[ORIOLE33]

Eddie wasn't exactly Trumbo in the field. In his prime, he was a very good 1st basemen.

[Can_of_corn]

1 minute ago, ORIOLE33 said:

Eddie wasn't exactly Trumbo in the field. In his prime, he was a very good 1st basemen.

His defensive prime didn't last real long.

A charitable person will say he didn't want to get injured trying to make plays that had a low likelihood of success.

A less charitable soul will say he didn't like to get his uniform dirty.

[ORIOLE33]

Winning the GG 3 times isn't too shabby.

[ArtVanDelay]

44 minutes ago, ORIOLE33 said:

Winning the GG 3 times isn't too shabby.

I never saw Eddie play, but saying he won the GG 3 times doesn't really mean anything.  Derek Jeter won 5 and he's arguably the worst defensive SS of all time.  Didn't Rafael Palmeiro win the GG in a year where he DH'd almost every game?

[ORIOLE33]

38 minutes ago, ArtVanDelay said:

I never saw Eddie play, but saying he won the GG 3 times doesn't really mean anything.  Derek Jeter won 5 and he's arguably the worst defensive SS of all time.  Didn't Rafael Palmeiro win the GG in a year where he DH'd almost every game?

I actually did see him play. Eddie was a very good 1st baseman.

And Jeter was nowhere near the worst SS of all time. Where did that come from?

[Can_of_corn]

1 hour ago, ORIOLE33 said:

Winning the GG 3 times isn't too shabby.

Didn't say otherwise.  Didn't say that he wasn't very good in his prime.

What I did say was that at one point in his career he pretty much stopped trying to make difficult fielding plays.

[Can_of_corn]

6 minutes ago, ORIOLE33 said:

I actually did see him play. Eddie was a very good 1st baseman.

And Jeter was nowhere near the worst SS of all time. Where did that come from?

Would depend on how you judged it.

He played twenty years at shortstop and was some flavor of below average for much of it.  He is probably the leader in all the negative cumulative defensive stats at short.

[ArtVanDelay]

15 minutes ago, ORIOLE33 said:

I actually did see him play. Eddie was a very good 1st baseman.

And Jeter was nowhere near the worst SS of all time. Where did that come from?

I never said he wasn't.  I'm just saying that GGs don't prove he was good.

http://www.highheatstats.com/2014/03/owar-and-dwar/

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RK	PLAYER	DWAR	G
1	Derek Jeter	-9.2	2602
2	Shawon Dunston	-2.0	1814
3	Ed McKean	4.3	1655

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Generated 3/6/2014.

That’s it. Two. The truth is that 4.3 dWAR is terrible for a shortstop. The reason the number is positive is that it includes the positional adjustment. So, for a shortstop to get a negative dWAR, he needs to be terrible on a legendary level (sorry, Mr. Jeter). Of the 67 shortstops, the average dWAR was actually 17.7.

 

[ORIOLE33]

Some of the plays that I saw Jeter make over the years? He can be my SS anytime. 

[Can_of_corn]

1 minute ago, ORIOLE33 said:

Some of the plays that I saw Jeter make over the years? He can be my SS anytime. 

I've seen Mark Reynolds make some heckuva nice plays at third.  I don't want him to be my third baseman.

[ArtVanDelay]

3 minutes ago, ORIOLE33 said:

Some of the plays that I saw Jeter make over the years? He can be my SS anytime. 

So a few good plays here and there make up for him being terrible otherwise?  He made up for it with his bat but he probably should've been at 3B or LF.  Maybe 2B.

[Can_of_corn]

9 minutes ago, ArtVanDelay said:

So a few good plays here and there make up for him being terrible otherwise?  He made up for it with his bat but he probably should've been at 3B or LF.  Maybe 2B.

I bet he could have played a nice center the first 12 years or so of his career.