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SUNDAY NIGHT BASEBALL: vs. Yankees, 9/14

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schittenden Hangout Grand Counsel

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If the bolded is true, and they're also as good as any other team at creating runs without the homerun, wouldn't you expect them to be leading baseball in runs scored? What are you even arguing?

The HR is their primary run scoring device (48% of all runs scored). If you actually look at the stats, you'll see that the O's are 1st in HR with RISP, 27th in doubles, and 26th in triples. They're also 16th overall in hits with RISP. So, despite their high BA with RISP, they (1) don't get guys into scoring position as often as other teams (28th in total ABs with RISP), and (2) they aren't as successful as most other teams at driving in runners without hitting homeruns (again, because of the shortage of extra base hits that aren't homers, and the fact that they can't take the extra base very often following a RISP single thanks to a lack of team speed).

The O's lead MLB by 25 HRs, but they're 7th in runs scored despite the fact that there's only one team ahead of them (the Angels) that has more than 50 extra ABs on the season.

Why am I doing your research for you? If you want to be snarky about something, look up the damn numbers on your own and prove me wrong. But the fact that the O's aren't good at manufacturing runs using something other than HRs is antithetical to a "controversial" idea.

As I'm at the game, I can't look things up and debate with you, but your logic is flawed. A HR means a runner never gets into scoring position. So, I would expect ABwRISP to be lower with a team that hits a lot of home runs. After all, a single followed by a HR is 0. A single followed by three ground outs could be 2. Doesn't mean anything. Would you have rather have hit ground outs than the HR?

Second, a HR with a RISP is just as effective as a single. The guy on second after a double may never score. So you have 100% scored off the HR and two runs scored. The other team has one run scored. If the other team singles home the double, they have two runs, the same as the Orioles, but the orioles never had the chance to "manufacture" the run because they hit out rather than hitting a double. The orioles hit the same single and they have a guy on first, but he didn't score anyone. The results are exactly the same--three hits leading to two runs, but your penalizing the orioles simply for having hit a home run rather than a double. In other words, no I wouldn't expect them to necessarily lead in runs scored even if they were just as effective in other situations. As this example shows, they can score the same number of runs even though the offense was the same except they hit a HR instead of a double.

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weams Hangout Grand Counsel

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As I'm at the game, I can't look things up and debate with you, but your logic is flawed. A HR means a runner never gets into scoring position. So, I would expect ABwRISP to be lower with a team that hits a lot of home runs. After all, a single followed by a HR is 0. A single followed by three ground outs could be 2. Doesn't mean anything. Would you have rather have hit ground outs than the HR?

Second, a HR with a RISP is just as effective as a single. The guy on second after a double may never score. So you have 100% scored off the HR and two runs scored. The other team has one run scored. If the other team singles home the double, they have two runs, the same as the Orioles, but the orioles never had the chance to "manufacture" the run because they hit out rather than hitting a double. The orioles hit the same single and they have a guy on first, but he didn't score anyone. The results are exactly the same--three hits leading to two runs, but your penalizing the orioles simply for having hit a home run rather than a double. In other words, no I wouldn't expect them to necessarily lead in runs scored even if they were just as effective in other situations. As this example shows, they can score the same number of runs even though the offense was the same except they hit a HR instead of a double.

Nice post. Thanks.

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