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I think this is more analogous of Vlad hitting cleanup or Hardy hitting second. Or Roberts playing in 2012.

Did Buck bench Nick in 2013 when he was playing at a replacement level?

Was there an obvious better option in those situations? If not, then the tie goes to the veteran. If so then the veteran hits the bench/bullpen because it clearly gives the team the best chance to win.

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Was there an obvious better option in those situations? If not, then the tie goes to the veteran. If so then the veteran hits the bench/bullpen because it clearly gives the team the best chance to win.

Seriously? I gave an example of Buck playing Nick for 160 games in 2013 in spite of him playing at a replacement level and you don't think that has any bearing on what might happen in the future?

I am betting that somehow, someway, Dan could have found an outfielder that could have outproduced .3 fWAR.

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Personally, I wonder if the "he's great at fielding at OPACY" is more of an urban legend. The metrics used to show he was weaker at OPACY (before they did away with the splits data) and stronger away. He favors playing deep in the gap there and I wonder if that just doesn't suit his skillset all that much as a lot of hits seem to drop in short and down the line. I'm sure he's helped with the throws and the short field but it helps everyone that plays RF there. Add in his loss of speed (despite a relatively good year this year) and it's hard to say. Assuming he leaves, I'll be very interested to see what kind of metrics his successor puts up in RF and what he puts up elsewhere.

For what it's worth, Total Zone Runs is still split between home and away. Unlike UZR, which used to show that Nick was better on the road than at home, TZR has Nick +7 at home and -3 on the road over his career. http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/markani01-field.shtml (scroll to Sabermetric Fielding). Needless to say, a total difference of 10 runs between home and road in 9 seasons is a pretty minimal effect.

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Seriously? I gave an example of Buck playing Nick for 160 games in 2013 in spite of him playing at a replacement level and you don't think that has any bearing on what might happen in the future?

I am betting that somehow, someway, Dan could have found an outfielder that could have outproduced .3 fWAR.

And if he Dan had done that and Buck had played Nick anyway then you would have a point. But it didn't happen.

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I think this is more analogous of Vlad hitting cleanup or Hardy hitting second. Or Roberts playing in 2012.

Did Buck bench Nick in 2013 when he was playing at a replacement level?

Yes, let's go back and bring up that crap yet again, for the 100K time.

Was there something better on the bench or in Norfork at the time?

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I am not the President of the Nick Markakis fan club. He has his flaws but overall when heathy I see a dependable player. I personally do not want to go into 2015 banking on options like Lough, Pearce and DeAza with little depth behind. We are built to win now and aren't going for high end types anyway. Yes, a longer deal could hurt down the road but to me it is worth that risk.

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I think this is more analogous of Vlad hitting cleanup or Hardy hitting second. Or Roberts playing in 2012.

Did Buck bench Nick in 2013 when he was playing at a replacement level?

I think it is both common and reasonable for a manager to show faith in a player with an established track record who is slumping, than to bench him in favor of players who, previously, had proven themselves inferior. It would be unusual for any manager to bench a Markakis in favor of some kind of Pearce/Dickerson platoon. There's a long list of Michael Youngs and Matt Kemps and Adam Linds and Starlin Castros and Billy Butlers and Adam Dunns and Alejandro De Azas who kept regular jobs with performances below Nick's 2013.

The payoff from getting your good player back on track is usually higher than whatever you're going to get out of your spare parts.

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Yes, let's go back and bring up that crap yet again, for the 100K time.

Was there something better on the bench or in Norfork at the time?

How about instead we ignore what evidence we actually have and just pretend what we want to happen is actually going to happen!

Buck has shown a tendency to be very loyal to players.

Do you honestly think that Buck would not, once again, run out a replacement level producing Markakis every day?

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