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I can't help but wonder if the O's success in 2014 inspired the Blue Jays and Red Sox to put their starting pitching needs on the back burner in order to beef up the middle of their lineups.

Wouldn't true attention to the successes of the 2012-2014 Orioles, while acknowledging the importance of SLG, see team defense as one of the key differentiators?

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They don't release their mistakes like the Bronx Boys do. And yes, the Luxury tax makes a zero sum of sorts. Why do you think the Dodgers are cutting payroll? They could afford a half billion dollar payroll.

Even assuming Boston is getting close to whatever their specific payroll limit is, they also have the prospects to trade for cost controlled pitching.

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Even assuming Boston is getting close to whatever their specific payroll limit is' date=' they also have the prospects to trade for cost controlled pitching.[/quote']

Well they have Betts. I am not sure any of their other prospects are coveted. Much. Weren't they all busts?

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"Baseball is a zero sum game." Wish I knew who said that first.

The only thing that's changed is the median line. You can win with better pitching/defense than the opponent and you can win with better hitting than the opponent. The idea that hitters are any more or less valuable than they've always been is fictitious. And if every team thinks they have the piching, well... consider that last year the following AL teams gave up more runs per game than league average: Toronto, Detroit, Boston, Houston, Chicago, Texas and Minnesota. One of those teams made the playoffs.

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So you are saying all FA hitters should get qualifying offers?

Not at all, and I'm not sure where you got that idea. I'm simply saying that bats have innately less risk, are a rarer commodity and are therefore more valuable. Good pitching is still a nice thing to have, it's just become a much easier thing to have then it was even as little as 5 years ago.

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Not at all, and I'm not sure where you got that idea. I'm simply saying that bats have innately less risk, are a rarer commodity and are therefore more valuable. Good pitching is still a nice thing to have, it's just become a much easier thing to have then it was even as little as 5 years ago.

Got it. Thanks.

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Wouldn't true attention to the successes of the 2012-2014 Orioles, while acknowledging the importance of SLG, see team defense as one of the key differentiators?

I'm not sure what that has to do with what the Red Sox and Blue Jays actually did (which is what I was referring to).

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I can't help but wonder if the O's success in 2014 inspired the Blue Jays and Red Sox to put their starting pitching needs on the back burner in order to beef up the middle of their lineups.

If they actually paid attention, they'd notice that the Orioles were 6th in runs scored but 3rd in fewest runs allowed.

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Well they have Betts. I am not sure any of their other prospects are coveted. Much. Weren't they all busts?

Xander Bogaerts, Christian Vazquez, Blake Swihart, Rusney Castillo and Rafael Devers is a pretty nice group of young talent.

Bogaerts struggled but to call him a bust would be like saying Schoop was a bust. The numbers do not say all you need to know. Bogaerts is going to be very good IMO.

Hopefully the Red Sox will be stupid enough to move a lot of that young talent for an overpaid pitcher who will be stinking it up in a few years.

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Bogaerts struggled but to call him a bust would be like saying Schoop was a bust. The numbers do not say all you need to know. Bogaerts is going to be very good IMO.

Yeah, I do find it funny how some posters will slam Bogaerts (.660 OPS) and Bradley (.531) and yet find no fault with Schoop (.530). I have to say that Bogaerts was more erratic on defense than I expected, though.

Edit: I don't know where I got the idea that Schoop's OPS was .530 last year. .598 is the correct figure.

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Xander Bogaerts, Christian Vazquez, Blake Swihart, Rusney Castillo and Rafael Devers is a pretty nice group of young talent.

Bogaerts struggled but to call him a bust would be like saying Schoop was a bust. The numbers do not say all you need to know. Bogaerts is going to be very good IMO.

Hopefully the Red Sox will be stupid enough to move a lot of that young talent for an overpaid pitcher who will be stinking it up in a few years.

Castillo is worth his salary or less. Probably less. Bogaerts has a bloom off him. The others are good, but won't bring back a Hamels.

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