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Billy Butler is a scrub on a bad contract. End of discussion. Can we get back to trade rumors in this thread? I find having all that info in one thread useful. Reading about Billy Butler makes me just uncontrollably laugh and I can't read the other stuff in this thread.

Who does the O's pick up then? Who can the Orioles afford without breaking the bank in prospect? SD isn't giving up Upton without arms in the deal. CarGo ain't going without Gausman in the deal. Sorry, it's Butler or nothing for the O's. That's the reality of the situation.

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And as I stated, he's a short term solution until the O's minor league guys are ready. I fully expect Butler to be traded by 2017. All I am looking for is the rest of this year to provide some OBP and basically help us cut guys that have no business in a playoff run (Parmalee). Butler has been there (last year) he knows what needs to be done in this position. So that's how I see it. He's a short term solution.. next 12 months. Which will cost us around $11.6m over that period. Next year, another team will need his services. Trade and get some prospects back.. and hell maybe Butler rips it in Baltimore.

This is his fourth straight year of declining production (almost, literally, across all offensive categories...he went from .373 to .374 in OBP from 2012-2013, and everything else has gone downhill...including OBP since 2013). Given his price tag and miserable, down-trending output, I'd rather give those ABs to someone else. Even Flaherty.

And those who've heard me talk about Flaherty know that's saying something.

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Good news. The more players available the better. I'm stickiing to my guns that Lind and Parra will be the best fits for us in terms of value and what we have to give up.

And now reports that padres and cubs have discussed Baez, I am good at this ;)

I agree with lind and parra as best fits.

@JonHeymanCBS: mets focused on big bat. upton, cargo, gomez, parra, bruce, maybe even byrd, etc. http://t.co/1iWLSVCFIz

IMO nats are really playing with fire if they expect werth and Zimmerman to be the big bat saviors protecting Harper and producing like middle order bats.

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This is his fourth straight year of declining production (almost, literally, across all offensive categories...he went from .373 to .374 in OBP from 2012-2013, and everything else has gone downhill...including OBP since 2013). Given his price tag and miserable, down-trending output, I'd rather give those ABs to someone else. Even Flaherty.

And those who've heard me talk about Flaherty know that's saying something.

Yes, he's also been on two poor teams with no ability to hit for power, so he hasn't had an advantage in the line up. Nobody behind him that had the ability to make a pitcher pitch to him. When you don't have that, your numbers drop. Ask Davis. Since Wieters has come back.. Davis is seeing more hittable pitchers.

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Yes, he's also been on two poor teams with no ability to hit for power, so he hasn't had an advantage in the line up. Nobody behind him that had the ability to make a pitcher pitch to him. When you don't have that, your numbers drop. Ask Davis. Since Wieters has come back.. Davis is seeing more hittable pitchers.

From near as I can tell all "protection" does is increase the number of quality strikes a hitter sees.

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And now reports that padres and cubs have discussed Baez, I am good at this ;)

I agree with lind and parra as best fits.

@JonHeymanCBS: mets focused on big bat. upton, cargo, gomez, parra, bruce, maybe even byrd, etc. http://t.co/1iWLSVCFIz

IMO nats are really playing with fire if they expect werth and Zimmerman to be the big bat saviors protecting Harper and producing like middle order bats.

Really why is that? Both are very good hitters.

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Yes, he's also been on two poor teams with no ability to hit for power, so he hasn't had an advantage in the line up. Nobody behind him that had the ability to make a pitcher pitch to him. When you don't have that, your numbers drop. Ask Davis. Since Wieters has come back.. Davis is seeing more hittable pitchers.

So...wait. In 2012, Butler slashed .313/.373/.510. The Royals' team SLG was .400.

In 2013, Butler slashed .289/.374/.412. The Royals' team SLG was .379.

Last year, Butler slashed .271/.323/.379. The Royals' team SLG was .376.

And you're blaming Butler's decline on them? How? KC's team OBP was .317 in 2012, by the way. Butler seemed to find his way on base anyway.

Granted, you're right to call Oakland bad in 2015, but they're still managing a higher team SLG (.388) than Butler alone (.379). In other words, Butler stands out as a bad hitter on a bad team.

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Parmalee and Flaherty are BELOW REPLACEMENT RIGHT NOW at 1B. So while you think it's a bad deal. I want to get to the playoffs and Parmalee and Flaherty at 1st isn't gonna do it. Orioles aren't getting Upton, CarGo or whoever. So better to upgrade at 1st, leave Davis in RF and bring up Alvarez.. it's a move that doesn't kill us.

So you're just jumping from Billy Butler to Upton and Cargo? You do realize that there is some middle ground with guys available right? And by some, I mean like 20 bats.

And you do realize that BILLY BUTLER IS BELOW REPLACEMENT as well.

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@jcrasnick: #Orioles are holding the line on trading Kevin Gausman or prospect Mychal Givens for an impact bat at the deadline.

Better be a controllable impact bat not a rental!

Wouldn't this mean they are holding their line and not trading them?

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