Front Office issues

[Frobby]

So he is going to reveal his sources?

When this story broke I thought Rosenthal went out of his way to go after the a Orioles and not the White Sox and I said so .

I don't know why a Boston writer and MLB Network corespondent would get loose with something just for the heck of it. If the argument is that he is close to DD then that would indicate even more there is something to it.

I believe there's a bit of tension there. And I don't care. If Duquette offers his resignation now, we can consider it. Otherwise he should do his job to the best of his ability. And I'm sure he will.

[Larry18]

It's not about Duquette. It's about the next Duquette. Or the next Rasjich. Or the next Klentak.

I think people are forgetting about the GM search that landed Duquette.

[eddie83]

I believe there's a bit of tension there. And I don't care. If Duquette offers his resignation now, we can consider it. Otherwise he should do his job to the best of his ability. And I'm sure he will.

All I want is what is best for the Orioles. I think Buck would be a handful for any GM to work with. I am not taking sides here, just want us to be working together in a heathy environment. In all organizations there isn't 100% agreement on all decisions.

[Stotle]

I think people are forgetting about the GM search that landed Duquette.

Ding ding ding ding ding.

[Frobby]

Ding ding ding ding ding.

I don't really see the relevance. We've been to the playoffs two of the last four years. We had 14 straight losing seasons and had been under 70 wins something like 5 years in a row the last time we had a GM search. The circumstances are very different.

If you are saying another candidate wouldn't want the job because Duquette was treated poorly here or wasn't given free reign to do his job, then I disagree vehemently with that. I'm sure most GM's would love to have their deal ripped up and be given a six year deal one year after signing a three-year contract. And Duquette was given a ton of latitude to run the front office as he's seen fit.

[Stotle]

I don't really see the relevance. We've been to the playoffs two of the last four years. We had 14 straight losing seasons and had been under 70 wins something like 5 years in a row the last time we had a GM search. The circumstances are very different.

If you are saying another candidate wouldn't want the job because Duquette was treated poorly here or wasn't given free reign to do his job, then I disagree vehemently with that. I'm sure most GM's would love to have their deal ripped up and be given a six year deal one year after signing a three-year contract. And Duquette was given a ton of latitude to run the front office as he's seen fit.

I think you are wrong.

[weams]

I don't really see the relevance. We've been to the playoffs two of the last four years. We had 14 straight losing seasons and had been under 70 wins something like 5 years in a row the last time we had a GM search. The circumstances are very different.

If you are saying another candidate wouldn't want the job because Duquette was treated poorly here or wasn't given free reign to do his job, then I disagree vehemently with that. I'm sure most GM's would love to have their deal ripped up and be given a six year deal one year after signing a three-year contract. And Duquette was given a ton of latitude to run the front office as he's seen fit.

A strong post from my vantage. The past is past. No need to relive in every negative way at every chance.

[Frobby]

I think you are wrong.

On which point? Both?

[Can_of_corn]

I think you are wrong.

I think all the dreck about working for Angelos will come right back out.

[weams]

He was allowed the latitude and rebuilt his prestige to the point that he was an executive of the year finalist two out of three years and a winner so that he became a tampering target. At a level that there is no precedence of compensation or gentlemans agreement because in his organization he was the top baseball operations executive. There were no higher jobs that he was blocked from. All after being blackballed by the same boys club and press camaraderie now wishes to shame him.

[Stotle]

On which point? Both?

From a talent perspective Baltimore was a very enticing job last time around. The industry perception of the job is what kept folks away. I don't think it's a lack of talent or payroll that would keep a would-be GM away. I think it's the same crap that would arguably keep GMs from wanting to jump between Moreno and Scioscia.

The idea that the organization will not give you the latitude to pursue better opportunities is a bigger deal for the guys lower on the food chain, since GMs don't have many opportunities for a "bump". But it's enough of a concern that you notice when an organization is perceived as obstructionist.

Maybe none of it matters. Maybe it does. I hear the same complaints about the Orioles from scouts, same statements folks wouldn't take a promotion in Baltimore. Winning seasons don't erase the issues with which people are concerned when pursuing potential employment gigs. That's all I meant.

[Stotle]

From a talent perspective Baltimore was a very enticing job last time around. The industry perception of the job is what kept folks away. I don't think it's a lack of talent or payroll that would keep a would-be GM away. I think it's the same crap that would arguably keep GMs from wanting to jump between Moreno and Scioscia.

The idea that the organization will not give you the latitude to pursue better opportunities is a bigger deal for the guys lower on the food chain, since GMs don't have many opportunities for a "bump". But it's enough of a concern that you notice when an organization is perceived as obstructionist.

Maybe none of it matters. Maybe it does. I hear the same complaints about the Orioles from scouts, same statements folks wouldn't take a promotion in Baltimore. Winning seasons don't erase the issues with which people are concerned when pursuing potential employment gigs. That's all I meant.

Which response would you hope your employer would have:

"Given the person that Mark is, the significant leadership and values that he has brought to the organization and with everything he has helped us accomplish, it will be extremely difficult to see him leave," owner Paul Dolan said in a statement on the blog. "However, I hope that this new challenge brings happiness and fulfillment for Mark and his family."

As far as no bump, maybe. But Shapiro sees something unique in the position being offered:

While weighing those bonds carefully and seriously, I feel the unique and compelling nature of the Blue Jays President/CEO position warranted my consideration. This position represents a unique opportunity for me and one that I felt was the right new challenge to undertake. With mixed emotions, I will assume the Toronto Blue Jays CEO position upon the conclusion of the 2015 season.

Indians received no compensation.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2558495-mark-shapiro-to-blue-jays-latest-contract-details-comments-and-reaction

[birdcrazy]

The thing about Angelos (and the Nationals are finding it out now), is when you negotiate a deal with him, he will hold you to it..100%.

I also think the fact that this was not like say the Rockies or something, but one of our most hated division rivals right as the Winter Meetings started makes it much worse. Toronto did not even hire a new President after being turned away for over 6 months.

[abbott]

The thing about Angelos (and the Nationals are finding it out now), is when you negotiate a deal with him, he will hold you to it..100%.

I also think the fact that this was not like say the Rockies or something, but one of our most hated division rivals right as the Winter Meetings started makes it much worse. Toronto did not even hire a new President after being turned away for over 6 months.

how will Angelos treatment of DD impact the Orioles ability to hire his replacement? Or will low risk(cost) high reward govern hiring the VP of Baseball operations

[weams]

From a talent perspective Baltimore was a very enticing job last time around. The industry perception of the job is what kept folks away. I don't think it's a lack of talent or payroll that would keep a would-be GM away. I think it's the same crap that would arguably keep GMs from wanting to jump between Moreno and Scioscia.

The idea that the organization will not give you the latitude to pursue better opportunities is a bigger deal for the guys lower on the food chain, since GMs don't have many opportunities for a "bump". But it's enough of a concern that you notice when an organization is perceived as obstructionist.

Maybe none of it matters. Maybe it does. I hear the same complaints about the Orioles from scouts, same statements folks wouldn't take a promotion in Baltimore. Winning seasons don't erase the issues with which people are concerned when pursuing potential employment gigs. That's all I meant.

It's simple. If you want to work in Baltimore, don't accept a six year contract. Get a shorter one with less personal security. Besides, Klentak was given the opportunity to leave. As was Joe Jordan. Scott Profrock, Kevin Malone. Heck. Even Larry Luccino!