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As I expected, a bunch of guys from the mid-90's on that list, due to OPS inflation. If you re-sort by wRC+ you get:

1. Frank Robinson 1966 195

2. Frank Robinson 1967 183

3. Jim Gentile 1961 180

4. Boog Powell 1964 176

5. Chris Davis 2013 168

6. Chris Hoiles 1993 166

7. Ken Singleton 1977 166

8. Frank Robinson 1969 165

9. Boog Powell 1970 160

10. Boog Powell 1969 159

10. Melvin Mora 2004 159

Frank and Boog hold 6 of the top 11 spots on that list.

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That's really saying something. Consider no Bench, no Berra, no Campanella.

Oops... also not true. True from 1954-on. But for all time you need to add Campanella, Gabby Hartnett, and King Kelly. Stupid filters!

Kelly is only half true. In 1886 he had a 1.018 OPS, but played 53 games at catcher, 56 in the outfield, and 28 split between all four infield spots.

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In his injury-shortened 1999, Cal put up a .340/.368/.584/.952 in 354 PA over 86 games. Not a qualifying season, obviously, but that was the best power season of his career by OPS, edging his MVP 1991 (.940, as noted earlier, though in '91, his OPS+ was a career-best 162)?27 doubles to go with 18 home runs in his age-38 season. His OPS+ in 1999 was 144 after going 107, 91, 102, 93, and 89 the previous five seasons. Some tidbitty funnishness for the thread.

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He didn't score 100 runs, didn't drive in 100 runs, didn't hit 30 home runs, but he did hit 29 home runs to go along with a .300+ BA and a .400+ OBP. Hoiles always had pop and got on base.....as good as that year was, he didn't even make the all star team which seems nuts in retrospect. 1993 was the year it was at OPACY, which makes it even crappier.

I was about to post my list....I didn't think Hoiles had the PA's.

I distinctly remember Hoiles previous year, 1992, when he had 20 homers and 40 RBI. Which I think used to be (or maybe still is?) the record for fewest RBI with 20+ homers. The announcers wouldn't shut up about that, probably into his great year, too. Kept harping on how he couldn't through when it really mattered and that's why his RBI total was so low.

Yes, he hit poorly with RISP, but (most of us) now know that's not because he a choker or lacking in character but mostly random variation. The next year his OPS was well over 1.000 with men on. And his most frequent lineup spot in '92 was 8th, often behind the not-so-fleet Leo Gomez.

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Fangraphs is great, but for deep dives I like the bb-ref play index/play finder whatever it's called better. Unfortunately I can't get there from here, so Fangraphs it is.

Just for giggles, here is Oriole.com list:

[TABLE=class: stats_table data_grid]

<tbody>[TR]

[TH=class: dg-rank]<abbr>RK</abbr>[/TH]

[TH=class: dg-name_display_last_init]Player[/TH]

[TH=class: dg-season]Year[/TH]

[TH=class: dg-team_abbrev]Team[/TH]

[TH=class: dg-pos]Pos[/TH]

[TH=class: dg-g sortable]<abbr>G</abbr>[/TH]

[TH=class: dg-ab sortable]<abbr>AB</abbr>[/TH]

[TH=class: dg-r sortable]<abbr>R</abbr>[/TH]

[TH=class: dg-h sortable]<abbr>H</abbr>[/TH]

[TH=class: dg-d sortable]<abbr>2B</abbr>[/TH]

[TH=class: dg-t sortable]<abbr>3B</abbr>[/TH]

[TH=class: dg-hr sortable]<abbr>HR</abbr>[/TH]

[TH=class: dg-rbi sortable]<abbr>RBI</abbr>[/TH]

[TH=class: dg-bb sortable]<abbr>BB</abbr>[/TH]

[TH=class: dg-so sortable]<abbr>SO</abbr>[/TH]

[TH=class: dg-sb sortable]<abbr>SB</abbr>[/TH]

[TH=class: dg-cs sortable]<abbr>CS</abbr>[/TH]

[TH=class: dg-avg sortable]<abbr>AVG</abbr>[/TH]

[TH=class: dg-obp sortable]<abbr>OBP</abbr>[/TH]

[TH=class: dg-slg sortable]<abbr>SLG</abbr>[/TH]

[TH=class: dg-ops sortable active]<abbr>OPS</abbr>▼[/TH]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD=class: dg-rank]1[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-name_display_last_init] Sisler, G[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-season]1920[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-team_abbrev]STL[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-pos]1B[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-g]154[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-ab]631[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-r]137[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-h]257[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-d]49[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-t]18[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-hr]19[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-rbi]122[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-bb]46[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-so]19[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-sb]42[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-cs]17[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-avg].407[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-obp].449[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-slg].632[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-ops active]1.082[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR=class: odd]

[TD=class: dg-rank]2[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-name_display_last_init] Gentile, J[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-season]1961[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-team_abbrev]BAL[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-pos]1B[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-g]148[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-ab]486[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-r]96[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-h]147[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-d]25[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-t]2[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-hr]46[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-rbi]141[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-bb]96[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-so]106[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-sb]1[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-cs]1[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-avg].302[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-obp].423[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-slg].646[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-ops active]1.069[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD=class: dg-rank]3[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-name_display_last_init] Williams, K[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-season]1923[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-team_abbrev]STL[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-pos]OF[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-g]147[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-ab]555[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-r]106[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-h]198[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-d]37[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-t]12[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-hr]29[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-rbi]91[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-bb]79[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-so]32[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-sb]18[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-cs]17[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-avg].357[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-obp].439[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-slg].623[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-ops active]1.062[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR=class: odd]

[TD=class: dg-rank]4[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-name_display_last_init] Sisler, G[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-season]1922[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-team_abbrev]STL[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-pos]1B[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-g]142[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-ab]586[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-r]134[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-h]246[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-d]42[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-t]18[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-hr]8[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-rbi]105[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-bb]49[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-so]14[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-sb]51[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-cs]19[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-avg].420[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-obp].467[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-slg].594[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-ops active]1.061[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD=class: dg-rank stripey]5[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-name_display_last_init stripey] Robinson, F[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-season stripey]1966[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-team_abbrev stripey]BAL[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-pos stripey]OF[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-g stripey]155[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-ab stripey]576[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-r stripey]122[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-h stripey]182[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-d stripey]34[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-t stripey]2[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-hr stripey]49[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-rbi stripey]122[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-bb stripey]87[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-so stripey]90[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-sb stripey]8[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-cs stripey]5[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-avg stripey].316[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-obp stripey].410[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-slg stripey].637[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-ops stripey active]1.047[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR=class: odd]

[TD=class: dg-rank]6[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-name_display_last_init] Williams, K[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-season]1922[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-team_abbrev]STL[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-pos]OF[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-g]153[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-ab]585[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-r]128[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-h]194[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-d]34[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-t]11[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-hr]39[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-rbi]155[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-bb]74[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-so]31[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-sb]37[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-cs]20[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-avg].332[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-obp].413[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-slg].627[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-ops active]1.040[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD=class: dg-rank]7[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-name_display_last_init] Anderson, B[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-season]1996[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-team_abbrev]BAL[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-pos]RF[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-g]149[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-ab]579[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-r]117[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-h]172[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-d]37[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-t]5[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-hr]50[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-rbi]110[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-bb]76[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-so]106[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-sb]21[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-cs]8[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-avg].297[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-obp].396[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-slg].637[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-ops active]1.034[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR=class: odd]

[TD=class: dg-rank]8[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-name_display_last_init] Powell, B[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-season]1964[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-team_abbrev]BAL[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-pos]1B[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-g]134[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-ab]424[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-r]74[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-h]123[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-d]17[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-t]0[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-hr]39[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-rbi]99[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-bb]76[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-so]91[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-sb]0[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-cs]0[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-avg].290[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-obp].399[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-slg].606[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-ops active]1.005[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD=class: dg-rank]9[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-name_display_last_init]* Davis, C[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-season]2013[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-team_abbrev]BAL[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-pos]1B[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-g]160[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-ab]584[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-r]103[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-h]167[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-d]42[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-t]1[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-hr]53[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-rbi]138[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-bb]72[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-so]199[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-sb]4[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-cs]1[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-avg].286[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-obp].370[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-slg].634[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-ops active]1.004[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR=class: odd]

[TD=class: dg-rank stripey]10[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-name_display_last_init stripey] Hoiles, C[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-season stripey]1993[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-team_abbrev stripey]BAL[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-pos stripey]C[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-g stripey]126[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-ab stripey]419[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-r stripey]80[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-h stripey]130[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-d stripey]28[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-t stripey]0[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-hr stripey]29[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-rbi stripey]82[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-bb stripey]69[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-so stripey]94[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-sb stripey]1[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-cs stripey]1[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-avg stripey].310[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-obp stripey].416[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-slg stripey].585[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-ops stripey active]1.001[/TD]

[/TR]

</tbody>[/TABLE]

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Just for giggles, here is Oriole.com list:

[TABLE=class: stats_table data_grid]

<tbody>[TR]

[TH=class: dg-rank]<abbr>RK</abbr>[/TH]

[TH=class: dg-name_display_last_init]Player[/TH]

[TH=class: dg-season]Year[/TH]

[TH=class: dg-team_abbrev]Team[/TH]

[TH=class: dg-pos]Pos[/TH]

[TH=class: dg-g sortable]<abbr>G</abbr>[/TH]

[TH=class: dg-ab sortable]<abbr>AB</abbr>[/TH]

[TH=class: dg-r sortable]<abbr>R</abbr>[/TH]

[TH=class: dg-h sortable]<abbr>H</abbr>[/TH]

[TH=class: dg-d sortable]<abbr>2B</abbr>[/TH]

[TH=class: dg-t sortable]<abbr>3B</abbr>[/TH]

[TH=class: dg-hr sortable]<abbr>HR</abbr>[/TH]

[TH=class: dg-rbi sortable]<abbr>RBI</abbr>[/TH]

[TH=class: dg-bb sortable]<abbr>BB</abbr>[/TH]

[TH=class: dg-so sortable]<abbr>SO</abbr>[/TH]

[TH=class: dg-sb sortable]<abbr>SB</abbr>[/TH]

[TH=class: dg-cs sortable]<abbr>CS</abbr>[/TH]

[TH=class: dg-avg sortable]<abbr>AVG</abbr>[/TH]

[TH=class: dg-obp sortable]<abbr>OBP</abbr>[/TH]

[TH=class: dg-slg sortable]<abbr>SLG</abbr>[/TH]

[TH=class: dg-ops sortable active]<abbr>OPS</abbr>▼[/TH]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD=class: dg-rank]1[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-name_display_last_init] Sisler, G[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-season]1920[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-team_abbrev]STL[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-pos]1B[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-g]154[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-ab]631[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-r]137[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-h]257[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-d]49[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-t]18[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-hr]19[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-rbi]122[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-bb]46[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-so]19[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-sb]42[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-cs]17[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-avg].407[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-obp].449[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-slg].632[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-ops active]1.082[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR=class: odd]

[TD=class: dg-rank]2[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-name_display_last_init] Gentile, J[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-season]1961[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-team_abbrev]BAL[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-pos]1B[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-g]148[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-ab]486[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-r]96[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-h]147[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-d]25[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-t]2[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-hr]46[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-rbi]141[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-bb]96[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-so]106[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-sb]1[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-cs]1[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-avg].302[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-obp].423[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-slg].646[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-ops active]1.069[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD=class: dg-rank]3[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-name_display_last_init] Williams, K[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-season]1923[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-team_abbrev]STL[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-pos]OF[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-g]147[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-ab]555[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-r]106[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-h]198[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-d]37[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-t]12[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-hr]29[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-rbi]91[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-bb]79[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-so]32[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-sb]18[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-cs]17[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-avg].357[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-obp].439[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-slg].623[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-ops active]1.062[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR=class: odd]

[TD=class: dg-rank]4[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-name_display_last_init] Sisler, G[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-season]1922[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-team_abbrev]STL[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-pos]1B[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-g]142[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-ab]586[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-r]134[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-h]246[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-d]42[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-t]18[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-hr]8[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-rbi]105[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-bb]49[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-so]14[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-sb]51[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-cs]19[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-avg].420[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-obp].467[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-slg].594[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-ops active]1.061[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD=class: dg-rank stripey]5[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-name_display_last_init stripey] Robinson, F[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-season stripey]1966[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-team_abbrev stripey]BAL[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-pos stripey]OF[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-g stripey]155[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-ab stripey]576[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-r stripey]122[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-h stripey]182[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-d stripey]34[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-t stripey]2[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-hr stripey]49[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-rbi stripey]122[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-bb stripey]87[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-so stripey]90[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-sb stripey]8[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-cs stripey]5[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-avg stripey].316[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-obp stripey].410[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-slg stripey].637[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-ops stripey active]1.047[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR=class: odd]

[TD=class: dg-rank]6[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-name_display_last_init] Williams, K[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-season]1922[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-team_abbrev]STL[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-pos]OF[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-g]153[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-ab]585[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-r]128[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-h]194[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-d]34[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-t]11[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-hr]39[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-rbi]155[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-bb]74[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-so]31[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-sb]37[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-cs]20[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-avg].332[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-obp].413[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-slg].627[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-ops active]1.040[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD=class: dg-rank]7[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-name_display_last_init] Anderson, B[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-season]1996[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-team_abbrev]BAL[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-pos]RF[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-g]149[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-ab]579[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-r]117[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-h]172[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-d]37[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-t]5[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-hr]50[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-rbi]110[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-bb]76[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-so]106[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-sb]21[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-cs]8[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-avg].297[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-obp].396[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-slg].637[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-ops active]1.034[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR=class: odd]

[TD=class: dg-rank]8[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-name_display_last_init] Powell, B[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-season]1964[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-team_abbrev]BAL[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-pos]1B[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-g]134[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-ab]424[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-r]74[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-h]123[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-d]17[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-t]0[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-hr]39[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-rbi]99[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-bb]76[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-so]91[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-sb]0[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-cs]0[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-avg].290[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-obp].399[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-slg].606[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-ops active]1.005[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD=class: dg-rank]9[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-name_display_last_init]* Davis, C[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-season]2013[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-team_abbrev]BAL[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-pos]1B[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-g]160[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-ab]584[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-r]103[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-h]167[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-d]42[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-t]1[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-hr]53[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-rbi]138[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-bb]72[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-so]199[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-sb]4[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-cs]1[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-avg].286[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-obp].370[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-slg].634[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-ops active]1.004[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR=class: odd]

[TD=class: dg-rank stripey]10[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-name_display_last_init stripey] Hoiles, C[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-season stripey]1993[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-team_abbrev stripey]BAL[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-pos stripey]C[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-g stripey]126[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-ab stripey]419[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-r stripey]80[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-h stripey]130[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-d stripey]28[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-t stripey]0[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-hr stripey]29[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-rbi stripey]82[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-bb stripey]69[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-so stripey]94[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-sb stripey]1[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-cs stripey]1[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-avg stripey].310[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-obp stripey].416[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-slg stripey].585[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-ops stripey active]1.001[/TD]

[/TR]

</tbody>[/TABLE]

Invalid. St. Louis Browns don't count. Especially since Sportsman's Park was Coors-like in its effects. In 1922 Ken Williams hit .373/.438/.800 at home, with 32 of his 39 homers there. .290 with seven homers on the road.

Also why George Sisler has been taken down about 12 pegs my modern analysis. In 1920 he hit nearly .500 at home (actually .473, 150-for-317).

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When I saw the list I was like, Bob Nieman?? Who dat? He was traded to us early in the 1956 season from the White Sox (along with George Kell)... and was traded five times in his career. The year we acquired him he had a .442 OBP for us.

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Invalid. St. Louis Browns don't count. Especially since Sportsman's Park was Coors-like in its effects. In 1922 Ken Williams hit .373/.438/.800 at home, with 32 of his 39 homers there. .290 with seven homers on the road.

Also why George Sisler has been taken down about 12 pegs my modern analysis. In 1920 he hit nearly .500 at home (actually .473, 150-for-317).

I know St. Louis doesn't count, and the real old stats aren't true.

Which is why I said, just for giggles.

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When I saw the list I was like, Bob Nieman?? Who dat? He was traded to us early in the 1956 season from the White Sox (along with George Kell)... and was traded five times in his career. The year we acquired him he had a .442 OBP for us.

<a  href=Bob-Nieman.jpg?id=4c074124-f98a-482c-a42 alt='Bob-Nieman.jpg?id=4c074124-f98a-482c-a426-11a5679e67e1&size=original&side=back'> 1958 Topps #165 - Bob Nieman [Good to VG‑EX] Courtesy of COMC.com[/img]

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Just for giggles, here is Oriole.com list:

[TABLE=class: stats_table data_grid]

<tbody>[TR]

[TH=class: dg-rank]<abbr>RK</abbr>[/TH]

[TH=class: dg-name_display_last_init]Player[/TH]

[TH=class: dg-season]Year[/TH]

[TH=class: dg-team_abbrev]Team[/TH]

[TH=class: dg-pos]Pos[/TH]

[TH=class: dg-g sortable]<abbr>G</abbr>[/TH]

[TH=class: dg-ab sortable]<abbr>AB</abbr>[/TH]

[TH=class: dg-r sortable]<abbr>R</abbr>[/TH]

[TH=class: dg-h sortable]<abbr>H</abbr>[/TH]

[TH=class: dg-d sortable]<abbr>2B</abbr>[/TH]

[TH=class: dg-t sortable]<abbr>3B</abbr>[/TH]

[TH=class: dg-hr sortable]<abbr>HR</abbr>[/TH]

[TH=class: dg-rbi sortable]<abbr>RBI</abbr>[/TH]

[TH=class: dg-bb sortable]<abbr>BB</abbr>[/TH]

[TH=class: dg-so sortable]<abbr>SO</abbr>[/TH]

[TH=class: dg-sb sortable]<abbr>SB</abbr>[/TH]

[TH=class: dg-cs sortable]<abbr>CS</abbr>[/TH]

[TH=class: dg-avg sortable]<abbr>AVG</abbr>[/TH]

[TH=class: dg-obp sortable]<abbr>OBP</abbr>[/TH]

[TH=class: dg-slg sortable]<abbr>SLG</abbr>[/TH]

[TH=class: dg-ops sortable active]<abbr>OPS</abbr>▼[/TH]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD=class: dg-rank]1[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-name_display_last_init] Sisler, G[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-season]1920[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-team_abbrev]STL[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-pos]1B[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-g]154[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-ab]631[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-r]137[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-h]257[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-d]49[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-t]18[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-hr]19[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-rbi]122[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-bb]46[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-so]19[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-sb]42[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-cs]17[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-avg].407[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-obp].449[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-slg].632[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-ops active]1.082[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR=class: odd]

[TD=class: dg-rank]2[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-name_display_last_init] Gentile, J[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-season]1961[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-team_abbrev]BAL[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-pos]1B[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-g]148[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-ab]486[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-r]96[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-h]147[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-d]25[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-t]2[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-hr]46[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-rbi]141[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-bb]96[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-so]106[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-sb]1[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-cs]1[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-avg].302[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-obp].423[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-slg].646[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-ops active]1.069[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD=class: dg-rank]3[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-name_display_last_init] Williams, K[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-season]1923[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-team_abbrev]STL[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-pos]OF[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-g]147[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-ab]555[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-r]106[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-h]198[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-d]37[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-t]12[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-hr]29[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-rbi]91[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-bb]79[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-so]32[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-sb]18[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-cs]17[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-avg].357[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-obp].439[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-slg].623[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-ops active]1.062[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR=class: odd]

[TD=class: dg-rank]4[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-name_display_last_init] Sisler, G[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-season]1922[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-team_abbrev]STL[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-pos]1B[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-g]142[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-ab]586[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-r]134[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-h]246[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-d]42[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-t]18[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-hr]8[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-rbi]105[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-bb]49[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-so]14[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-sb]51[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-cs]19[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-avg].420[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-obp].467[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-slg].594[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-ops active]1.061[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD=class: dg-rank stripey]5[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-name_display_last_init stripey] Robinson, F[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-season stripey]1966[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-team_abbrev stripey]BAL[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-pos stripey]OF[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-g stripey]155[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-ab stripey]576[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-r stripey]122[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-h stripey]182[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-d stripey]34[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-t stripey]2[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-hr stripey]49[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-rbi stripey]122[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-bb stripey]87[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-so stripey]90[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-sb stripey]8[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-cs stripey]5[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-avg stripey].316[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-obp stripey].410[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-slg stripey].637[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-ops stripey active]1.047[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR=class: odd]

[TD=class: dg-rank]6[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-name_display_last_init] Williams, K[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-season]1922[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-team_abbrev]STL[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-pos]OF[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-g]153[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-ab]585[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-r]128[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-h]194[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-d]34[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-t]11[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-hr]39[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-rbi]155[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-bb]74[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-so]31[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-sb]37[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-cs]20[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-avg].332[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-obp].413[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-slg].627[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-ops active]1.040[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD=class: dg-rank]7[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-name_display_last_init] Anderson, B[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-season]1996[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-team_abbrev]BAL[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-pos]RF[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-g]149[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-ab]579[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-r]117[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-h]172[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-d]37[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-t]5[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-hr]50[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-rbi]110[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-bb]76[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-so]106[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-sb]21[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-cs]8[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-avg].297[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-obp].396[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-slg].637[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-ops active]1.034[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR=class: odd]

[TD=class: dg-rank]8[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-name_display_last_init] Powell, B[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-season]1964[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-team_abbrev]BAL[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-pos]1B[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-g]134[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-ab]424[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-r]74[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-h]123[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-d]17[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-t]0[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-hr]39[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-rbi]99[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-bb]76[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-so]91[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-sb]0[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-cs]0[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-avg].290[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-obp].399[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-slg].606[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-ops active]1.005[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD=class: dg-rank]9[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-name_display_last_init]* Davis, C[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-season]2013[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-team_abbrev]BAL[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-pos]1B[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-g]160[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-ab]584[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-r]103[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-h]167[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-d]42[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-t]1[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-hr]53[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-rbi]138[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-bb]72[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-so]199[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-sb]4[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-cs]1[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-avg].286[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-obp].370[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-slg].634[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-ops active]1.004[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR=class: odd]

[TD=class: dg-rank stripey]10[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-name_display_last_init stripey] Hoiles, C[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-season stripey]1993[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-team_abbrev stripey]BAL[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-pos stripey]C[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-g stripey]126[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-ab stripey]419[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-r stripey]80[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-h stripey]130[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-d stripey]28[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-t stripey]0[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-hr stripey]29[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-rbi stripey]82[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-bb stripey]69[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-so stripey]94[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-sb stripey]1[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-cs stripey]1[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-avg stripey].310[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-obp stripey].416[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-slg stripey].585[/TD]

[TD=class: dg-ops stripey active]1.001[/TD]

[/TR]

</tbody>[/TABLE]

Thanks for that.

If not for the St. Louis Browns and their moving to Baltimore in 1954, we would not have our current team history as we know it.

I am sure that if the Browns had either stayed in St. Louis or moved to another city, Baltimore would still have eventually wound up with a Major League franchise ...... probably in either the 1969 American League expansion instead of the Pilots, or in the 1977 American League expansion franchise, instead of the Mariners. We would have Baltimore Major League baseball, and they would probably be named the Baltimore Orioles, but they would not be the Orioles as we now know them, with Brooks and Frank Robinson, Jim Palmer, Dave McNally, Mike Cuellar, etc.

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When I saw the list I was like, Bob Nieman?? Who dat? He was traded to us early in the 1956 season from the White Sox (along with George Kell)... and was traded five times in his career. The year we acquired him he had a .442 OBP for us.

I think that one or both of my parents knew Bob Nieman when he was growing up. As the baseball card shows, he's most famous for hitting HR's in his first two major league at bats.

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Thanks for that.

If not for the St. Louis Browns and their moving to Baltimore in 1954, we would not have our current team history as we know it.

I am sure that if the Browns had either stayed in St. Louis or moved to another city, Baltimore would still have eventually wound up with a Major League franchise ...... probably in either the 1969 American League expansion instead of the Pilots, or in the 1977 American League expansion franchise, instead of the Mariners. We would have Baltimore Major League baseball, and they would probably be named the Baltimore Orioles, but they would not be the Orioles as we now know them, with Brooks and Frank Robinson, Jim Palmer, Dave McNally, Mike Cuellar, etc.

By 1969 would Baltimore have been as appealing an expansion candidate as any of the other places that got teams? Or would it have been more like Buffalo or Louisville or Providence? Places that long ago had teams but were now kind of seen as old rustbelt cities that the majors left in the 1800s? I don't know. Thinking about it, 1954 may have been the sweet spot. By '57 the West Coast floodgates were open, and the Browns might have gone to Seattle or San Diego or become the 2nd LA team. They apparently tried to move west around the time of WWII, but somehow got stopped.

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Superbook seems like just another bar serving the same swill that the rest of the park serves, with extremely minimal and low-quality food. For that matter, most of the food at the stadium is very low quality these days. A lot of things we used to love are made to a lower standard now if they are served at all. These are gripes about the stadium and the area that haven't changed my entire adult life. Going to an O's game requires one to tolerate many small inconveniences and several major inconveniences, any number of which could easily be fixed by the relevant authorities if they gave a damn about the people who pay to come see the team play. You would think a mid-market team would be able to afford to invest in the fan experience. You would think the city and partnering organizations like garages, the Stadium Authority and MTA would at least try to do their part to make the experience enjoyable and free of kinks. You would think they would put some thought into handling the "growing pains" of the fanbase due to recent renewed interest after the dark years. Instead, all we get is the same indifference and the same annoyances year in and year out. The whole area is overdue for a revamp. Not sure if $600 mil will get it done, but at least it's a start. Hopefully they can start to patch up some of the many holes in the fan experience. If you're not going to invest in Burnes, at least make it so paying customers have an easier, more enjoyable time getting to/from the stadium and having some food while we're there.
    • Elias has only been in rebuild mode with the O's so there's not much to speculate on there.  Houston, where he spent his formative years, doesn't seem to like to be on the hook for more than a couple of big long-term contracts at any given time.  I can see that as being Elias' choice as well, albeit with a lower overall cost - Houston runs a big payroll.  But it's all guesswork.  I really don't know. If Elias takes the 2025 payroll to $150 million it will creep up to $200 million or so by 2028 just from keeping the core together.  That's where I start to wonder about sustainability due to market size, economic forces, etc., etc., etc... If it were up to me, I would add a couple of free agents this offseason even if the contracts were longer than ideal and be conservative about extensions elsewhere until the prospects establish themselves a little better.  I think there's a competitive opportunity that the team is already into that's worth exploiting. I think ownership is very happy to have Elias on board and they're not inclined to force him to do anything.  I also think Rubenstein's demonstrated business prowess is great enough to assume that he has had plenty enough time to come to a mutual understanding with Elias as to goals.
    • We need a RH O’hearn…in addition to Westburg. At least 3 batters that will push up the pitch count and cause damage in the top 5 of the lineup.
    • Boy,  that Jackson Merrill is a good young player that is playing his best ball down the season stretch and in the playoffs.   He's only 21.  I guess some young guys are able to play up to the pressure.   Who could have guessed that?
    • I’m aware.   You are arguing something im Not.
    • What agreement? The agreement you are talking about happened as a result of the move.  The MASN agreement would not have existed if Angelos had gone to court to block the move.
    • I’m saying the Os had an agreement with MLB and that should have held up.  Been pretty clear about that. 
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