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Miguel Gonzalez Appreciation Tread


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11 minutes ago, tntoriole said:

I was in the "scream bloody murder" camp when Miggy was released.   With an option.  That was the part that just killed me.   With an option.   A guy who had been money in our playoff seasons, Yankee killer, veteran, clubhouse guy released because of a bad exhibition game or two.   It was a simple chump change money deal that I hope continues to bite us in the rear end.  

He had cost the playoff the season before with his post all star pitching. 

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5 minutes ago, weams said:

He had cost the playoff the season before with his post all star pitching. 

Plenty of other contributors other than Miggy to not making the playoffs in 2015 if I recall correctly.    Like say the combined records of Bud Norris and Kevin Gausman who together got 43 total starts and went 6-16 with a combined ERA around 6...or maybe Mike Wright throwing in his stellar 3-5 with a 6.04 ERA...or maybe JJ Hardy hitting under .220 and playing less than 115 games or Matt Wieters playing only 75 games...  But, yes, Miggy certainly had a stretch of 4 bad games at the end of the season (though he had also won a bunch of games for us as well.)

But at the same time, it somehow seems OK to have 4 bad starts at the beginning of the season (or to have 8 or 9 in a row to start last season like Ubaldo).    This was because they were too cheap to spend 4 million to have Miggy sort it out at Norfolk.  

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He was pitching injured. Once he recovered and benefited from White Sox tutelage, he became worth much more than his salary again.

In 12.67 innings of playoff pitching with the Os (2014, 2016), he gave up 2 earned runs. He didn't let us down--poor Oriole relief pitching, fielding, and hitting let him down.

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14 hours ago, weams said:

He had cost the playoff the season before with his post all star pitching. 

No he didn't -- that was a mediocre team that had to go 5-0 at the end of the season to be a .500 team.    One pitcher doesn't make the difference between that and a playoff team.    

Anyway, that's not the issue.    There's no doubt that Gonzalez had a poor second half and didn't look great in spring training, either.    But our pitching depth was extremely poor, and to just give away a guy who had been a key pitcher for us for several years was bad judgment in my opinion.   

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39 minutes ago, Frobby said:

No he didn't -- that was a mediocre team that had to go 5-0 at the end of the season to be a .500 team.    One pitcher doesn't make the difference between that and a playoff team.    

Anyway, that's not the issue.    There's no doubt that Gonzalez had a poor second half and didn't look great in spring training, either.    But our pitching depth was extremely poor, and to just give away a guy who had been a key pitcher for us for several years was bad judgment in my opinion.   

Agreed. Among other things, it didn't help that Chris Tillman had the worst year of his career, by far.

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15 hours ago, LA2 said:

He was pitching injured. Once he recovered and benefited from White Sox tutelage, he became worth his salary again.

In 12.67 innings of playoff pitching with the Os (2014, 2016), he gave up 2 earned runs. He didn't let us down--poor Oriole relief pitching, fielding, and hitting let him down.

In fact, Buck should have used him more in 2014, IMO. Guy was excellent. Really a penny wise, pound foolish decision. I guess they think they can find solid #3 starters anywhere.

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Look at it from DD's point of view before the season started,

  • Miggy looked terrible in ST and Buck's postgame interview after his last ST start was really a negative outlook on Miggy's performance.  
  • He was due like $4 million if we didn't DFA him, even if we just sent him to the minors.  
  • We had just signed Gallardo and were starting to immediately regret that because of the injury.  
  • We tendered Matusz for a $4 million contract while DD was flirting with TOR.  
  • Ubaldo. 

We couldn't risk keeping Miggy at mid 80's and losing all of our payroll flexibility to make moves during the season.  

How much did it really hurt us?  We still made the playoffs in the toughest division in baseball and we're 12-5 this year.  It would be nice to have Miggy, but we're looking pretty good without him.  

 

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49 minutes ago, sportsfan8703 said:

 

  • We tendered Matusz for a $4 million contract while DD was flirting with TOR. 

Duquette flirted with Toronto during the 2014-15 offseason.   That's got nothing to do with Matusz being tendered a contract for 2016.

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10 minutes ago, Frobby said:

Duquette flirted with Toronto during the 2014-15 offseason.   That's got nothing to do with Matusz being tendered a contract for 2016.

True. And he did not flirt. He was however tampered with and would have been thrilled to have that big promotion job. 

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Just now, weams said:

True. And he did not flirt. He was however tampered with and would have been thrilled to have that big promotion job. 

Probably.   And Toronto made the playoffs each of the last two seasons, including a division title in '15.    But they're not looking too attractive now!

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1 hour ago, sportsfan8703 said:

Look at it from DD's point of view before the season started,

  • Miggy looked terrible in ST and Buck's postgame interview after his last ST start was really a negative outlook on Miggy's performance.  
  • He was due like $4 million if we didn't DFA him, even if we just sent him to the minors.  
  • We had just signed Gallardo and were starting to immediately regret that because of the injury.  
  • We tendered Matusz for a $4 million contract while DD was flirting with TOR.  
  • Ubaldo. 

We couldn't risk keeping Miggy at mid 80's and losing all of our payroll flexibility to make moves during the season.  

How much did it really hurt us?  We still made the playoffs in the toughest division in baseball and we're 12-5 this year.  It would be nice to have Miggy, but we're looking pretty good without him.  

 

God post, and as much as all of us loved Miggy, we knew he had a bad finish the season before, coupled with a poor spring, it didnt look good and most of us was not surprised, either.

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1 minute ago, Frobby said:

Probably.   And Toronto made the playoffs each of the last two seasons, including a division title in '15.    But they're not looking too attractive now!

They are the WORST! Like the Royals. 

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4 hours ago, sportsfan8703 said:

Look at it from DD's point of view before the season started,

  • Miggy looked terrible in ST and Buck's postgame interview after his last ST start was really a negative outlook on Miggy's performance.  
  • He was due like $4 million if we didn't DFA him, even if we just sent him to the minors.  
  • We had just signed Gallardo and were starting to immediately regret that because of the injury.  
  • We tendered Matusz for a $4 million contract while DD was flirting with TOR.  
  • Ubaldo. 

We couldn't risk keeping Miggy at mid 80's and losing all of our payroll flexibility to make moves during the season.  

How much did it really hurt us?  We still made the playoffs in the toughest division in baseball and we're 12-5 this year.  It would be nice to have Miggy, but we're looking pretty good without him.  

 

It was asinine. We signed an injured Gallardo, yet couldn't keep a $4m starter with an option? It was irresponsible.

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