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IMO, the only trade where Duquette really missed was the Davies for Parra trade. I'm still okay with the Bud Norris trade, given the role he played in 2014. And I don't blame the Orioles for the Feldman trade. Arrieta was purely a reclamation project by that point. If anything, the blame for that has to go on the coaching staff, but I'm not sure it even belongs there.

If memory serves, trading Hader was palatable because he had a long ways to go before being considered a serious prospect. Well, he's been pretty excellent at every stop since and he's in AAA now at age 22. The Parra trade was pretty bad, but the Norris one might end up hurting a lot more. It figures that for all of top pitching prospects we had that fizzled out in Oriole uniforms, the ones we trade away for rentals would just have to become solid MLB starters.

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If memory serves, trading Hader was palatable because he had a long ways to go before being considered a serious prospect. Well, he's been pretty excellent at every stop since and he's in AAA now at age 22. The Parra trade was pretty bad, but the Norris one might end up hurting a lot more. It figures that for all of top pitching prospects we had that fizzled out in Oriole uniforms, the ones we trade away for rentals would just have to become solid MLB starters.

With the Norris trade, we got a solid starting pitcher who helped us win a division title and the ALDS. I'll take that. Sometimes you trade prospects and they work out, sometimes they don't. There's nothing wrong with that trade in my view.

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Given the Chris Davis/Adam Jones/Trumbo and even the JJ Hardy trade, it's hard to understand why people get so up in arms at the trades where we gave up some young players. The complaining around here for some of the deals that the Orioles made is non stop. You win some, you lose some. Given the Orioles success in the past several years compared with the previous 15, I'll take it

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Given the Chris Davis/Adam Jones/Trumbo and even the JJ Hardy trade, it's hard to understand why people get so up in arms at the trades where we gave up some young players. The complaining around here for some of the deals that the Orioles made is non stop. You win some, you lose some. Given the Orioles success in the past several years compared with the previous 15, I'll take it

Absolutely. I just have to laugh though when folks insinuate they know better than the GM or they don't trust him to make a trade. I think most of these moves have made sense if you look at them objectively.

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In other words dumpster dive.

When did I say that? Are you conflating the idea of marginal upgrades that cost what precious little they have in their system with dumpster diving? I prefer not to dumpster dive OR make marginal moves. Was Parra a success for them? He cost them a guy they may very well be using in the rotation today and we wouldn't be discussing this

The Orioles are not going to be trading for Sonny Gray or Julio Teheran. They don't have the elite prospects to offer, unless maybe if they offered Dylan Bundy. Maybe. I think there will be a marginal upgrade at some point. With how bad the farm system is right now, it would be hard to overpay for it.

It wasn't much better last year. Was Davies an overpay for Parra? If not then will you be happy when they trade away what little value they have for the unnamed MU? Or, is your upgrade in the DDDD category? I get it, but if they grab Latos or his ilk off that scrap heap is that really all in?

Heck, just keep Jimenez and they can say they were going to make a claim on someone who's produced similarly, but they already had their own reclamation project. Saves a roster move.

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You know IF we were to add someone like Gray, the O's rotation suddenly looks pretty serviceable;

#1 - Tillman

#2 - Gray

#3 - Gallardo

#4 - Guasman

#5 - Wilson

I like Gausman as a #4 starter at this point in his maturation as a pitcher. I also am comfortable with Wilson as a #5. If Gallardo can approach what he did last year in Texas, he's fine at #3. With our bullpen and offense, this looks like a rotation that can get to the playoffs with a chance to be competitive.

The questions is what will it take to get Gray here? Will Mancini, Bundy & Sisco get it done?

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With the Pirates already 14 games out I wouldn't mind going after Francisco Liriano. He's owed roughly $20m thru 2017. He's owed some money and has gotten off to a slow start so he may be had on the low side prospect wise. He's also a LHP, which I would still like to have in the rotation. His walks are high, but his K have been consistent also.

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Would you unload the farm system for Julio Teheran?

Bundy, Harvey, Wright, and Sisco. Before you scoff, everyone of our pitchers is a huge question mark and Teheran is young and has a very reasonable contract that ties him up through 2020. Atlanta is going to be terrible for at least the next 2 years. Despite all of their efforts to rebuild, they have nothing right now besides Teheran and Freeman. We would be throwing a lot of talent at them.

Again, Teheran is 25, is on his way to pitching over 200 innings for the 3rd year in a row, and has been worth 3.2, 3.9. 1.5, and 2.2 (so far this year) WAR.

Have no issues giving up Bundy, Harvey, and Wright. But I don't think Sisco should be available. Unless they plan on extending Wieters. Joseph isn't a starter.

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When did I say that? Are you conflating the idea of marginal upgrades that cost what precious little they have in their system with dumpster diving? I prefer not to dumpster dive OR make marginal moves. Was Parra a success for them? He cost them a guy they may very well be using in the rotation today and we wouldn't be discussing this

It wasn't much better last year. Was Davies an overpay for Parra? If not then will you be happy when they trade away what little value they have for the unnamed MU? Or, is your upgrade in the DDDD category? I get it, but if they grab Latos or his ilk off that scrap heap is that really all in?

Heck, just keep Jimenez and they can say they were going to make a claim on someone who's produced similarly, but they already had their own reclamation project. Saves a roster move.

Do the Orioles have a single top 100 prospect to trade? Davies wasn't in the top 100. I don't know how good he is going to be. He'd certainly be a better option for our rotation than what we have right now, but that's really not saying much.

I don't know if Davies was an overpay. Sure, in retrospect it was a bad trade, but the Orioles needed an outfielder and Davies wasn't that highly regarded overall, though he certainly had his supporters.

But the point is this: when you trade prospects for established players, sometimes those prospects will become good established players themselves. That's how it works. You don't get to only trade prospects who will fail. Sometimes they succeed. That's how it works.

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Would you unload the farm system for Julio Teheran?

Bundy, Harvey, Wright, and Sisco. Before you scoff, everyone of our pitchers is a huge question mark and Teheran is young and has a very reasonable contract that ties him up through 2020. Atlanta is going to be terrible for at least the next 2 years. Despite all of their efforts to rebuild, they have nothing right now besides Teheran and Freeman. We would be throwing a lot of talent at them.

Again, Teheran is 25, is on his way to pitching over 200 innings for the 3rd year in a row, and has been worth 3.2, 3.9. 1.5, and 2.2 (so far this year) WAR.

I think any offer the Orioles make for Teheran, Boston will be able to top it. And Boston needs him just as much as we do.

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Zach Davies was TWENTY SIXTH ROUND PICK. 2-6.

Go look up how many 26th rounders have EVER done anything in MLB. You might as well pick someone up off the bus stop.

Yeah he has been decent for 60 innings. Now all the sudden he is a #3 for the next 10 years.

He is the greatest prospect to ever come through the system and we will regret trading a guy the GM's wife probably picked for the rest of our lives. Good Lord.

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