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1 minute ago, Can_of_corn said:

Don't remember Mora (RIP) but I'm in agreement on the rest of the list. 

Looking at the metrics, Sheets looks significantly worse than Mora.   Mora was playing at a time when my standards for Orioles' defense were at their highest.    Sheets was awful and played on awful teams.    Stone only lasted a month or two, but really made his mark, including losing a game during the 21-game losing streak by dropping a pretty routine fly ball with 2 outs in the 9th; he claimed he lost it in the lights.   Worst judge of fly balls I ever saw.  

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3 minutes ago, Frobby said:

Looking at the metrics, Sheets looks significantly worse than Mora.   Mora was playing at a time when my standards for Orioles' defense were at their highest.    Sheets was awful and played on awful teams.    Stone only lasted a month or two, but really made his mark, including losing a game during the 21-game losing streak by dropping a pretty routine fly ball with 2 outs in the 9th; he claimed he lost it in the lights.   Worst judge of fly balls I ever saw.  

I remember that game and Jeff "Shrimp cocktail" Stone.

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1 hour ago, Number5 said:

Don't know.  I hadn't heard anything about it until Weams mentioned it today.  Weams' post gave me the impression that it was an Orioles' physical, but perhaps I misunderstood.

An Orioles PRE agreement physical at the winter meetings. Per MLBTR. Orioles spices deny this. 

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1 hour ago, Can_of_corn said:

Don't remember Mora (RIP) but I'm in agreement on the rest of the list. 

Boog Powell and Curt Blefary would be up there...Boog was worse than Blefary, but Blefary still earned his nickname "clank" and Frank Robinson saying when the team bus passed a dump one day "Hey Clank, get out and get you another glove!".   

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After reading Roch's article, I am a little less alarmed than I was when I first read Weams' post about the PRE-physical.  It doesn't sound to me like whatever the issue is has completely shut the door on Saunders for the Orioles.  Rather, it seems that the main effect of the injury concerns is the contract length being considered, rather than a total nixing of the possibility of a signing.  The condition of the shoulder is, of course, a major consideration, and the actual physical, if and when terms are agreed to, could end up being a deal-breaker after all.

Also, Roch seems to focus a bit on Saunders' lifetime .309 OBP, which includes his early Seattle years, in each of his last 2 articles.  His last four years OBP have been .323, .341, season lost to injury, and .338.  While the lower lifetime number no-doubt gives the Orioles and other teams a negotiating nugget in talks with Saunders' agent, I would think that the recent offensive production is, in reality, given more weight in teams' thinking.  I'd like to think that the Orioles are still in on Saunders, as he still looks preferable to the other available options, IMO.

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1 hour ago, tntoriole said:

Boog Powell and Curt Blefary would be up there...Boog was worse than Blefary, but Blefary still earned his nickname "clank" and Frank Robinson saying when the team bus passed a dump one day "Hey Clank, get out and get you another glove!".   

Nah, Boog was a highly regarded defensive 1st basemen most of his career - despite the big belly.  Those O's teams were great defensively - with the week spots usually being Blefary and/or Rettenmund.  As Frank got older, it was the corner OFers that opposing teams would try to take advantage of.  

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Anyone who thinks Mark Trumbo belongs on a list of bad Orioles outfielders doesn't remember Floyd "Honey Bear" Rayford patrolling left field and propelling a sure out off his glove and over the fence for a home run, or the graceful ballet that was Jim Traber. Yep, "The Whammer" was an Orioles outfielder, and that went about as well as it sounds.

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1 hour ago, tntoriole said:

Boog Powell and Curt Blefary would be up there...Boog was worse than Blefary, but Blefary still earned his nickname "clank" and Frank Robinson saying when the team bus passed a dump one day "Hey Clank, get out and get you another glove!".   

Nah, Boog was a highly regarded defensive 1st basemen most of his career - despite the big belly.  Those O's teams were great defensively - with the week spots usually being Blefary and/or Rettenmund.  As Frank got older, it was the corner OFers that opposing teams would try to take advantage of.  Curt Motton was also in that fielding issued corner OF situation.  But back then, most teams hid a defender in LF.     

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8 minutes ago, Ruzious said:

Nah, Boog was a highly regarded defensive 1st basemen most of his career - despite the big belly.  Those O's teams were great defensively - with the week spots usually being Blefary and/or Rettenmund.  As Frank got older, it was the corner OFers that opposing teams would try to take advantage of.  

I think he meant Boog as an outfielder. Boog played some OF early on and must have been terrible.Before my time.

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19 hours ago, Frobby said:

I don't know whether to be worried that Mancini isn't that good, or to be worried because management won't give good looking young players the opportunity they need.    In five years we've basically given two guys from our farm system -- Machado and Schoop -- a shot at being everyday players.    

I agree.  I'm all for winning now and if Buck want's "proven" guys then that's fine with me.  But, this seems an a lot like the Miranda/Miley decision.  

I'd be fine with a Pedro/Mancini DH platoon and Pagan in RF.  If we must sign a DH, Napoli would be my third option.  Behind guys like Pedro and Carter.  

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20 minutes ago, Carllamy said:

Anyone who thinks Mark Trumbo belongs on a list of bad Orioles outfielders doesn't remember Floyd "Honey Bear" Rayford patrolling left field and propelling a sure out off his glove and over the fence for a home run, or the graceful ballet that was Jim Traber. Yep, "The Whammer" was an Orioles outfielder, and that went about as well as it sounds.

You're right, I don't remember Floyd Rayford patrolling LF, because he literally never did so.   Traber played 19 games in the OF but was principally a 1B (as Trumbo ought to be, but wasn't because we had Davis).

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3 hours ago, Ruzious said:

Nah, Boog was a highly regarded defensive 1st basemen most of his career - despite the big belly.  Those O's teams were great defensively - with the week spots usually being Blefary and/or Rettenmund.  As Frank got older, it was the corner OFers that opposing teams would try to take advantage of.  Curt Motton was also in that fielding issued corner OF situation.  But back then, most teams hid a defender in LF.     

They moved Boog to first in 1965-66, but before that he played a very bad left field...much worse than Trumbo or Delmon. 

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6 hours ago, Number5 said:

After reading Roch's article, I am a little less alarmed than I was when I first read Weams' post about the PRE-physical.  It doesn't sound to me like whatever the issue is has completely shut the door on Saunders for the Orioles.  Rather, it seems that the main effect of the injury concerns is the contract length being considered, rather than a total nixing of the possibility of a signing.  The condition of the shoulder is, of course, a major consideration, and the actual physical, if and when terms are agreed to, could end up being a deal-breaker after all.

Also, Roch seems to focus a bit on Saunders' lifetime .309 OBP, which includes his early Seattle years, in each of his last 2 articles.  His last four years OBP have been .323, .341, season lost to injury, and .338.  While the lower lifetime number no-doubt gives the Orioles and other teams a negotiating nugget in talks with Saunders' agent, I would think that the recent offensive production is, in reality, given more weight in teams' thinking.  I'd like to think that the Orioles are still in on Saunders, as he still looks preferable to the other available options, IMO.

I think I mentioned that it was said that the Orioles would still be interested in a one year deal with him only.  Only what I read on MLBTR. 

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